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  1. Thanks - it can be ignored too, even if Aldi refuse to help? Amazing - rang Aldi, they confirmed it is illegal as 3 hours is the allotted time and they will write to them to get it quashed. Provided a reference number and said forget it and don't worry. They said they have many people ringing up in similar circumstances. So thank you for your advice. What I do not understand is how/why Aldi allow this to happen knowingly.
  2. Received the PCN for staying too long in the car park at Aldi. There are no ticket machines, I just saw a sign saying maximum stay 1 hour 30 minutes. PCN shows 2 hours 4 minutes. Allowing for 10 minutes grace and due to Covid-19 restrictions a waiting queue of 15 minutes to enter the store then I am over by 9 minutes. I do not have any receipts for Aldi purchases made and do not use the Aldi regularly. This site has been very helpful before (and I have donated for the help - thank you) where I have been advised to ignore PCNs where no planning permission had been approved for ANPR cameras to be used. I have looked online at the Hounslow planning portal and cannot find any application for ANPR to be used https://planning-lbhounslow.msappproxy.net/Planning_Search_Advanced.aspx. Do they need planning? Is the PCN issued illegally. Do I follow similar advice which has helped and just ignore this PCN - I'll receive 3-4 threatening chasing letters, then the debt recovery ones and then the we may take you to court ones, after which they normally stop being sent after c. 6 months. Do I just do this or in this occasion is it different and do I just pay the £40 reduced charge request now. Am not intending to write to Aldi or send anything in to ParkingEye or the appeals people. Many thanks for your expert views. 1 Date of the infringement 16/03/2021 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 19/03/2021 3 Date received 23/03/2021 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes 6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up No 7 Who is the parking company? ParkingEye 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Aldi, Hospital Road, Hounslow, TW3 3HY For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS (POPLA) pcn 16.03.21.pdf
  3. My wife stayed in M&S Teddington Carpark managed by Euro Car Parks. Maximum stay is 90 minutes. Ticket 1 paid @ 09:55 for £2 allowing her to park until 11.25am. @ 10:22 realised she'd be longer so bought another £2 ticket allowing her to park until 11:52am. Car officially left @ 11:55:49, 3 minutes 49 seconds after second ticket had expired - there was a queue to exit the car park where number plate recognition took place. PCN notice to keeper dated 19/08/20 arrived for me as vehicle owner showing entry and exit times stating vehicle parked longer than maximum period allowed. Date of event: 14/08/20 Date issued: 19/08/20 Requests payment to be made within 28 days of date issued by 16/09/20, discounted to £50 is paid by 02/09/20. Q1: Is there a rule for car exiting 3 mins 49'' after? She was in the car leaving but there was a queue to get out of the car park so ANPR took time when finally exited. Q2. Irrespective of q1, attached council planning link http://www2.richmond.gov.uk/PlanData2//Planning_Search.aspx#results shows that whilst there is permission for the ANPR granted on 15/04/2019, that it was written off along with signage on 06/01/20 as planning was never validated. Does this make all PCNs issued invalid and therefore no need to pay or even acknowledge, whether there is signage or not as the signage is illegal without planning? Have I understood this correctly so just ignore? I received a PCN from same car park a year ago, ignored all letters, including the debt recovery letters, and eventually they just stopped being sent. Guidance and thoughts appreciated on this one if same process applies - thank you
  4. Hi received an update today as you all suggested would come from “debt recovery plus” - staying I need to pay etc etc and that failure to lay they will advise their “client” to take court action. I assume given all previous advice and given the failure for planning to be granted and them failing to abide by GDPR that I still simply ignore? thanks for your help
  5. Excellent thank you for this update. So does that mean that the first camera they had approval for never went ahead or that it did go ahead but they needed signs up to make it clear that it is a pay and display and without this nothing is valid. perfect!
  6. Thanks - just for clarity. If they are stating “the offence” took place on 11th Dec and then issued a “final notification” letter dated 20th Jan then that is between 29-56 days. Unless you mean the final notification letter is not an NTK. If so then the NTK should have arrived after 10th January - the fact I have not received one could they not say that they posted it, even if they did not? thanks
  7. Thanks for your advice. So for now do nothing. Did you have any thoughts to help me understand how they had already broken the rules with the chasing letter vs the NTK on the dates I have given. Just so I am clear? Is the chasing letter (final notification) different time an NTK? Thanks, so for now do nothing and ignore. If I understand your advice correctly the NTK is already before the 29 - 56 days when it should be received - so they have broken that rule already. Can you just show me you workings for this please. If the “supposed” offence was 11.12.2019 and the “final notification letter” is dated 20.1. 2020 then that is 40 days, and received through letterbox c. 30.1.20 then that is 49 days? Have I misunderstood - not sure what they have broken unless I am getting confused. If they have broken the rule, should I not point that out to them. thanks in advance and will obviously wait for your reply and then contact you again with an update when / if I hear back from them. thanks - very helpful and will be sure to make a donation online once all resolved
  8. Thanks, so for now do nothing and ignore. If I understand your advice correctly the NTK is already before the 29 - 56 days when it should be received - so they have broken that rule already. Can you just show me you workings for this please. If the “supposed” offence was 11.12.2019 and the “final notification letter” is dated 20.1. 2020 then that is 40 days, and received through letterbox c. 30.1.20 then that is 49 days? Have I misunderstood - not sure what they have broken unless I am getting confused. If they have broken the rule, should I not point that out to them. thanks in advance and will obviously wait for your reply and then contact you again with an update when / if I hear back from them. thanks - very helpful and will be sure to make a donation online once all resolved
  9. Thanks. 1. Did I park there - No, not me. - I have asked my wife and it could have been her but she cannot be certain she went shopping on that day at that time. - If she did she would have bought a ticket and displayed it in the car. You get the money back when shopping at M&S so no reason not to buy a ticket! - no parking charge notice was left on the window with supporting photographic evidence, which would then have been conclusive evidence to help both parties - all we do know is that having shopped there for years, we have only occasionally seen a parking attendant and definitely never at such an early time of supposedly offence - equally we do not believe there are cameras at the car park, in fact there was planning applied for end 2018 and a decision was only just made by Richmond Upon Thames Council on 6th Jan 2020. You can see the application notice on the council website, and looks like it was not approved i have completed the form you suggested as if it was a window pcn - albeit nothing was left on the window which is further highly suspicious. I do not believe there are cameras - Richmond upon Thames council only decided on 6.01.20 on a decision for planning. See their website. It looks like it was refused, but even if approved, then surely illegal to have cameras up and running with PCNs being issued before hand in Dec 2019 - if indeed that is the case Your help on next steps is greatly appreciated. For a windscreen ticket (Notice To Driver) please answer the following questions.... 1 The date of infringement? - supposedly 11/12/2019 2 Have you yet appealed to the parking company yet? [Y/N?] - N, this “final notification” is actually the first correspondence ever received, even though it implies it is not and the discount fine is no longer possible if you have then please post up whatever you sent and how you sent it and the date you sent it, suitably redacted. [as a PDF- follow the upload guide] has there been a response? please post it up as well, suitably redacted. [as a PDF- follow the upload guide] If you haven't appealed yet - ,.........DONT ! seek advice on your topic - please do advise what you recommend we do next have you received a Notice To Keeper? (NTK) [must be received by you between 29-56 days] what date is on it - have received a final notification letter, dated 20/01/2020 which came through letterbox 30/01/2020 - This is the first ever communication from Euro Car Parks, is this a NTK? Hence why no idea an offence might have been made and hence why the ticket displayed in dashboard has not been kept. If a parking charge notice had been left on the windscreen, then it would have been easy to have taken photo of the ticket to park - if my wife had actually parked there. Which she cannot be sure of. Did the NTK provide photographic evidence? [scan up BOTHSIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] - there is no photographic evidence as you can see from the front and back of the final notification letter uploaded 3 Did the NTK mention Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) [Y/N?] - yes 4 If you appealed after receiving the NTK, did the parking company give you any information regarding the further appeals process? [it is well known that parking companies will reject any appeal whatever the circumstances] - no correspondence has yet been made. Am waiting for advice from this forum 5 Who is the parking company? - Euro Car Parks 6. where exactly [Carpark name and town] did you park? - M&S Carpark, Teddington High Street thanks for your help and look forward to your guidance. if only a pcn has been left on the windscreen with photographic evidence then we would all know for sure if an error had been made or not. what is worrying is that the person in Bolton who received a similar notice, with nothing left on the screen, received it exactly on the same day of supposed issue and the letter was dated the same day. Pcn2.pdf Pcn.pdf
  10. I have today received a so called “final notification letter” from Euro Car Parks. what is interesting is that another poster from a totally different part of the UK received an identical letter with exactly the same dates - date of issue 11.12.2019, letter dated 20.01.2020 and received on 23.01.2020. Like the other poster the experience is the same - this is the first communication received despite it being “final notification” no notice was attached to the car and no letter has been received of a lower fine etc There is no photographic evidence and I am almost certain they are just trying it on. Can you please inform what I should do. Ignore the letter and future letters? Or is there a standard template that should be sent back. Copy of the pcn is attached. i am almost certain there are no APNR cameras - just in case that is a question. Thank you Pcn.pdf
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