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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
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After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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I have an MBNA credit card that was terminated a short while ago. I received a letter from Link Financial saying they've bought the debt. After reading on here how quick Link are to get charging orders I wondered if someone would be able to advise me on the best course of action here. It was an online application (c. 2007) so I'm guessing its enforceable. The question is, what is the best way forward regarding Link's letter? Should I write to them offering £1 token payments (thats what I was paying MBNA). Would be grateful for any suggestions/ideas as I'm dead scared that if I ignore them it'll make things much worse.

 

I've added a link to my original post below.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/189152-drowning-debt-please-help.html

 

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I have an MBNA credit card that was terminated a short while ago. I received a letter from Link Financial saying they've bought the debt. After reading on here how quick Link are to get charging orders I wondered if someone would be able to advise me on the best course of action here. It was an online application (c. 2007) so I'm guessing its enforceable. The question is, what is the best way forward regarding Link's letter? Should I write to them offering £1 token payments (thats what I was paying MBNA). Would be grateful for any suggestions/ideas as I'm dead scared that if I ignore them it'll make things much worse.

 

I've added a link to my original post below.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/189152-drowning-debt-please-help.html

 

Thanks folks.

 

Ok first thing is stay calm, you'll get help on here and you are not alone, most of us are still in debt! You say the CCA was from 2007 so I'm afraid its taken as granted in the court system that the agreement is enforceable, at the very least you dont have the get out of s127(3) like pre-2006 agreements.

 

Right first things first, I believe your unemployed so that means you can only make token payments... thats a given.

 

You say your worried about charging orders and link getting one really quickly... 1) They can only get a charging order if they have a CCJ in place and 2) You default on paying that CCJ.

 

A judge will only ask you to pay what you can afford!!!! I've put it in bold as its important to remember cos the DCA's like to think they can make you pay what they want.

 

Dont deal with them on the phone, ask them to write with all details, Dont pay by Direct Debit, Standing orders or cash into their accounts and once again as its the most important thing... only pay what you can afford!

 

edit: Just read about the equity in the house.. that means they may get a little more interested in attempting to get you to secure the debt, offering you a secured loan to repay or possibly ask you to increase your mortgage or some other loan secured to the equity in your property... just ignore any of these, its against the OFT debt guidelines to ask you to increase lending to pay existing debts.

 

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Hi PmW, thanks for your reassurance and advice.

 

I will write to Link offering them £1 token payments as that’s all I can afford.

 

Definitely won’t be taking up any offers of loans - I’m no longer credit-worthy :D

 

Feel so powerless in this situation.

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I've just had a thought, should I be sending Link a letter asking for some sort of proof of ownership of the debt? After all MBNA haven't actually notified me that they've sold the debt on.

 

If so, does anyone know if there's a template letter on here to do that? I can't remember how to get to the templates!!!

 

Thanks in advance

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I've just had a thought, should I be sending Link a letter asking for some sort of proof of ownership of the debt? After all MBNA haven't actually notified me that they've sold the debt on.

 

If so, does anyone know if there's a template letter on here to do that? I can't remember how to get to the templates!!!

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Ooo no notice from MBNA that they are selling :mad:, will hunt around for the letter for you just in case nobody else posts it.

 

PmW

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Massamum, have Link sent you a Default Notice ? If so, can you post it up on photobucket (with your ID i.e. name, address, account number removed), leave in the date of the Default Notice.

 

Secondly I believe the repealing of s127(3) of the Act applies for agreements entered into AFTER 6th April 2007. I need to confirm this.

 

Did link send you a notice of Assignment ? It would need to have been sent by recorded delivery to be valid NOT ordinary post (unless of course you acknowledge receiving it).

 

Note: Regarding any offers of payment you make to a creditor, make sure you head the letter Without prejudice save as to costs

You could put that heading anywhere above the main body of the letter. This means that if the Creditor accepts your offer openly then the offer is legally binding. If the Creditor refuses your offer, you are not bound by your offer (you can withdraw it), but you can show your offer letter o the District Judge on the issue of costs. This is a deterrent to a creditor when you are trying to settle outside of Court.

 

You are not there yet. Lets see if you can find the Default Notice first (I assume Link have sent one)

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Hi Shakespeare62, thank you so much for your reply, I really do appreciate your help, especially given the late hour.

 

No I haven’t received a DN from Link (yet). Only a letter so far which I think is a Notice of Assignment? The letter is dated 23 March and in that letter Link say the debt was assigned to them on 20 March 2009. The letter was sent by ordinary post and I haven’t acknowledged receipt at all yet, either by phone or letter.

 

I received a DN from MBNA dated 6 March (posted below), it mentions that I have to make payment by 23/03/2009 or (further down) that on or after that date if not received that my account will be closed – that’s three days after the debt was assigned to Link – is that significant at all? (I have only actually just realized the dates)

 

Sorry to be thick but what does repealing of s127(3) mean?

 

Any suggestions as to what I should do now? Should I write to them offering token payments? But if I do that then I’m acknowledging receipt – no idea what to do for the best.

 

(Was up half the night trying to scan NOA onto Photobucket but awful trouble losing my internet connection, will keep trying and hopefully will post it up later.)

 

MBNAdefaultnotice-2.jpg

 

 

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Oh dear oh dear... what have MBNA done!

 

DN is faulty on dates, they sent it on the 6th march which was a friday.. they have to allow two days for service (1st class post) and thats working days so sat/sun are out... so from 10th March 14 clear days would mean weds 25th March...

 

This has implications if they terminate which are all good for you, bad for MBNA :-)

 

But to assign a debt without giving you time to remedy it is even worse!!! They cant sell the debt without terminating first and if they havent given you the dates that even they state in there letter to rememdy and then terminate then they are in bigger trouble.

 

Not sure if this comes down to whether they sold the debt or are asking link to collect on their behalf (as agents).. The noa should give us a clue (if its important or not?)

 

PmW

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Hi PmW, thanks for that. Sounds like good news (if only I knew what it meant lol).

 

What are the implications for MBNA if it has been incorrectly done? What do I have to do?

 

 

Still having a nightmare trying to upload the NOA but will keep trying.

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Oh dear oh dear... what have MBNA done!

 

DN is faulty on dates, they sent it on the 6th march which was a friday.. they have to allow two days for service (1st class post) and thats working days so sat/sun are out... so from 10th March 14 clear days would mean weds 25th March...

 

This has implications if they terminate which are all good for you, bad for MBNA :-)

 

But to assign a debt without giving you time to remedy it is even worse!!! They cant sell the debt without terminating first and if they havent given you the dates that even they state in there letter to rememdy and then terminate then they are in bigger trouble.

 

Not sure if this comes down to whether they sold the debt or are asking link to collect on their behalf (as agents).. The noa should give us a clue (if its important or not?)

 

PmW

 

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This is very interesting.....Sorry to butt in on this thread but have received the same letter with same dates.

Rec'd letter from Link dated 26th March stating assigned on '20th MARCH' this surely can't be right can it? What are the implications of this for MBNA and Link?

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Hi Joemay, how interesting that you have the same letter. I have absolutely no legal knowledge but definitely something is not right here. I too would love to know what it means for MBNA/Link and more importantly, for us. Also what to do next.

 

Have at long last managed to scan the Link letter Shakespeare62 and PmW, hope it helps

 

 

 

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Hi Joemay, how interesting that you have the same letter. I have absolutely no legal knowledge but definitely something is not right here. I too would love to know what it means for MBNA/Link and more importantly, for us. Also what to do next.

 

Have at long last managed to scan the Link letter Shakespeare62 and PmW, hope it helps

 

 

 

CCI02042009_00001.jpg

 

SNAP!!

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No Joemay, I have a new provider plus a new number. Its brilliant as none of my creditors can pester me. My heart still goes over when I hear the phone ring though.

 

I’d love to send a CCA request but sadly mine was an online application (Feb 2007) so from what I’ve read on here it’ll be enforceable. Good luck with yours though.

 

Sounds like they don’t know their Rs from their elbow!

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Ok saw the PM...

 

The reason DN are so important is that its a requirement to end the credit agreement than a proper default notice is served prior to termination. If the default notice is invalid i.e. not enough time to rectify the fault then the termination becomes invalid, this reduces the right of the OC to just the money due at the time of the default notice, i.e. only the arrears become payable, they lose the right to the balance as they have terminated the agreement invalidly.

 

 

The letter implies that Link have purchased the debt from MBNA. As to the selling a debt prior to the default notice expiring that seems to me to be a serious breach, you'll need more experts opinion on this but in my mind they have seriously weakened their hand here by selling the account before the actual termination date of the agreement.

 

If I was you I'd ask for more expert help, either PM one of the moderators (site team) or click on the red triangle if no further help is given. I'm afraid im no expert only just beginning on the road myself.

 

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PMW has made a valid point about the default notice, however it is really how a judge sees it, and we know they vary wildly.....being a late (2007)agreement and online means there isn't that much you could do in that respect...dispute/reclaim any excessive charges, and get any PPI back and make an offer of however much you can afford.....did they send you a termination notice ?

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Hi justing asking the question What are link the owner of the balance what is the balance are there any outstanding charges that you can claim back

 

if there are the balance will be wrong just a note.

 

hope it helps just slows them up a lot

 

viva cag

 

lilly

 

 

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PMW has made a valid point about the default notice, however it is really how a judge sees it, and we know they vary wildly.....being a late (2007)agreement and online means there isn't that much you could do in that respect...dispute/reclaim any excessive charges, and get any PPI back and make an offer of however much you can afford.....did they send you a termination notice ?

 

Hi 42man, thanks for the post,

 

which point? the remedy dates being wrong or the selling of the account prior to the end of their own quoted remedy dates?

 

PmW

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