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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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hi -

 

i asked for credit report under DPA and sent £2 to each of the credit rating agencies. i could not do it online as my credit rating is so bad i do not have the necessary bank card you apparently need.

 

i received letters back from all the CRAs saying they need more identification. they asked for originals of bank statements/bills or copies of driving license or passport. i sent copy of passport but do not have any of the others as i deal with paperless statements/billing or the bills are in house-mates names.

 

i now have received similar replies from all of them that they will not accept my id. how the hell am I supposed to get my credit report?? a friend who worked at a bank got it for me from work a year ago no problem as a favour.

 

1) how is this possible - is it not MY data?

2) does the data protection act not state REASONABLE identification?

 

what is my next move - can i take it to court and make them comply??

 

any help would be appreciated

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did they give any reasons for not supplying the info? Seems odd that all 3 did the exact same thing.

 

Are you on electoral reg? have you recently moved there? do you have any credit that is reported to the cra's?

 

Also on the subject of paperless billing, the bill is normally still produced and downloadable and printable still.

 

Ps here is a link to get a free report once a year http://www.annualcreditreport.co.uk/ Not sure if the link is allowed, sorry if it's not

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hi version302003

 

Thank you so much for your response... Just to give you more info etc:

 

experian said the documents I sent:

- "Do not meet with our requirements"

 

callcredit said:

- "Cannot accept letter from bank as it does not refer to a specific account"

- "Cannot accept notice of suspension letters"

(I sent them an original letter from my Internet Service Provider which notified me of upcoming suspension)

 

equifax:

- "Not as listed in our request"

 

In answer to your other questions:

 

Are you on electoral reg?

I am not on the electoral reg

 

Have you recently moved there?

No I have been there for over 2 and a half years

 

Do you have any credit that is reported to the cra's?

I don't understand - sorry

 

Also on the subject of paperless billing, the bill is normally still produced and downloadable and printable still.

I did not want to send them details of what I have been spending or getting.. Do they really need to know this?? Also, they asked for ORIGINAL letters - not copies - which I sent them.

 

Any further advice? - want to take this to court and have them enforce it. I think that 2 original letters to my address and with my name on them, and a photocopy of my passport (which is what I sent) should be more than enough for them to identify me??

 

Callcredit also had the cheek to ask for documents from my previous address - whaaat??

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If you havent lived at the address for 6 years then they want to know what the previous address was., no idea why tho.

 

I think they are entited to ask for proof of identity but im not sure how far they can drag that one out esp as you have provided a copy of passport and other letters.

 

Have you asked them what specifically is the reason for them to require proof of identity?

 

Do you have a bank statement you can send?(you can alway blank out the amounts)

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They say they require id for security reasons..

 

As for bank statements - I have them - but they are generally asking for documents within 3 months. Guess I could send them, but this will take even more time. Think I need to go in heavier.

 

I just want to know how to enforce them to give me the report. I am prepared to fill out an N1, as I don't think other methods will prove fruitful. Under the Data Protection I know they cannot demand such stringent proof as I don't think anyone would deem it reasonable. Just don't know if there is anything I can enforce them to comply under?

 

Thanks a lot for the responses...

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It's a principle thing as well. They need reasonable identification, not my bank statements with all other kinds of information on them. Does anyone know if this is something I can pursue under the Data Protection Act - and if so, under what section can I ensure they provide me with my credit report? This is out of order what they are asking and by solving this, I will also make it easier for many others with bonafide identification documents to obtain their credit report without the CRAs having more information to wield than they already have.

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Scrather,

 

In order to verify who you are so that they dont send your details to the wrong person, they need your id and proof of address - hence why they asked for utility bills. I had the same query done to me and once i provided them with that they needed, i had my report. I also have paperliss bills and you need to print them (just the first page) and have your local bank to stamp it for proof of authencity.

 

The reason they are asking previous addresses is also so that they can give you everything they hold about your data.

 

I hope that answers some of your questions.

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I think people think I am being unreasonable.. but I have sent them:

 

- A list of all my previous addresses (as per the template letter on the Information Commissioner website)

- Originals of two letters sent to me from bank/utility at my address within the last 3 months

- A copy of my passport

 

They do not need to see any information of my previous addresses to identify me - I haven't even kept any. I cannot understand how a bank statement is any different other than it may contain more information for them to flog. I cannot get statements stamped as I have a basic account which the cashiers at the bank refuse to serve me and tell me to write to customer services. I have already spent much time and effort and believe that the CRAs are just taking me for a ride. Therefore I want to enforce my rights that is all.

 

Can anybody who understands the DPA please respond as to how I can enforce them sending my credit report given that I believe I have sent them reasonable ID.

 

Nice one.

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I believe you can take out a Part 8 procedure in the County Court as a claim for specific performance to enforce the Subject Access Request... Anyone have any experience of this?

 

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/library/data_protection/practical_application/taking_a_case_to_court.pdf

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If you havent lived at the address for 6 years then they want to know what the previous address was., no idea why tho.

 

I think they are entited to ask for proof of identity but im not sure how far they can drag that one out esp as you have provided a copy of passport and other letters.

 

Have you asked them what specifically is the reason for them to require proof of identity?

 

Do you have a bank statement you can send?(you can alway blank out the amounts)

 

You could always ring the Office of the information commissioner , i think their criteria is that you have to prove you are yourself to the exclusion of others of the same name . I agree that when asking for your data from a company whose business it is to collect your data and sell it , it seems unfair that they expect you to do their job , while you exercise your rights .

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Thanks so much for the response though.

 

I will ring the IC for sure. In the meantime I unfortunately have no Credit Report and I cannot even begin to clear it up so that I will finally have a proper bank account - not a kiddy card from the post office! I cannot pay for anything online and so losing out on loads of deals.

 

I have heard that the IC takes a notoriously long time to do anything in writing and that's what I need really to enforce the CRAs to give me information that affects me.

 

Was more wondering if anyone had any experience of asking the court to look at the matter without claiming for damages or anything - think its called special performance. Could then take a claim under DPA98 and I'm sure it wouldn't take long for a judge to see I have sent more than reasonable documentation. It could also serve to put pressure on the CRAs to supply the info to avoid any court stuff.

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Thanks so much for the response though.

 

I will ring the IC for sure. In the meantime I unfortunately have no Credit Report and I cannot even begin to clear it up so that I will finally have a proper bank account - not a kiddy card from the post office! I cannot pay for anything online and so losing out on loads of deals.

 

I have heard that the IC takes a notoriously long time to do anything in writing and that's what I need really to enforce the CRAs to give me information that affects me.

 

Was more wondering if anyone had any experience of asking the court to look at the matter without claiming for damages or anything - think its called special performance. Could then take a claim under DPA98 and I'm sure it wouldn't take long for a judge to see I have sent more than reasonable documentation. It could also serve to put pressure on the CRAs to supply the info to avoid any court stuff.

I was thinking more of getting the chapter and verse from the Ico office as to what a sar requires for Id , putting that in a fax /letter to the Cra , and trying to chivy them along in the interests of common sense , saves them having to answer to special performance , shows willing on your part , and thwarts their information fishing expedition , they can't help themselves!

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