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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
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Had a quick read through the judgment and clearly ph. 23 is wrong wrong wrong where the judge said that the claimant have satisfied your s78 request by supplying you with the application form and the current t&c's. It should be the t&c's at the time of the application together with the current t&c's if they have changed. I think that alone should be sufficient.

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Had a quick read through the judgment and clearly ph. 23 is wrong wrong wrong where the judge said that the claimant have satisfied your s78 request by supplying you with the application form and the current t&c's. It should be the t&c's at the time of the application together with the current t&c's if they have changed. I think that alone should be sufficient.

 

Backed up by the recent test case rulings in Manchester too.

 

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Had a quick read through the judgment and clearly ph. 23 is wrong wrong wrong where the judge said that the claimant have satisfied your s78 request by supplying you with the application form and the current t&c's. It should be the t&c's at the time of the application together with the current t&c's if they have changed. I think that alone should be sufficient.

 

Backed up by the recent test case rulings in Manchester too.

S.

 

If you check back on my posting #294 I posted up the priority request form and allegedly back copy T & C's?? I also had sent 2008 T & C's... ...(so in your opinions have they sufficed the s78 request?) as without the orig document in court how will we know that these orig T & Cs were on the back.:idea: http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/t...g?t=1242733254

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Re point 17 of the judgement - why does the judge LIE here by saying the creditors signature is on it too. (on the day Restons tried to make out that the sticker (barcode) over the COPY priority request form is where the signature of MBNA would be. Without the orig how will we know that though? I also said it contained no prescribed terms either. The judge clearly aware of too!)

My other points raised re 15,16,& 20 of this judgement you will find on that link page here as with the defence he took no notice in examining properly.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/185814-d-judge-made-wrong-15.html#post2714887

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I'd throw in the Francovich Principle as well.... just to keep them on their toes.

 

It was mentioned by JonCris in Shakespeare's thead - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/191784-shakespeare62-nastybank-12.html#post2588754

Thanks, that was in Shakespeares appellant, I wasn't sure tho what was relevant to be added into mine and so will add it in...still wondering about the other legislations on it (esp the ones I highlighted in red) any further thoughts?

MDAW,

Unfortunately, you have been talking at cross purposes. A 'note of a judgment' is prepared by a solicitor or barrister at a hearing for his client. What you have is an approved judgment.

HTH

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Lovely jubilee....thanks Dad, phew......!!

 

Have you any thoughts on the N161 I posted up especially section 7where its mentioned what I am asking the court to do...had looked through that uni1boys "stay" bits you mentioned but see that was an N164 document....if you do have any pointers what to put down here to ask the court to do (if I have done it what I need to do right here aswell) it would be appreciated..... thanks

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Have uploaded my grounds for appeal now and kept it with the other attachments on #398 hope to welcome advice in these being addressed carefully for me soon :idea:......thanks in advance....

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Bump anybody - my docs have been posted up & need to be finalised for appeal by mid week.....whats relevant, whats not? please see #398... in what I have had a stab at so far.......I hope help has arrived by Monday or I might be having kittens with this next hurdle everyone......:(

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Hi MDAW !

 

From a quick look at your docs I would offer a few suggestions. Some are only minor points.

Form N161

 

Section 3. "Are you legally represented ?" Tick "No"

"Are you the Appellant in receipt of a Legal Aid Certificate" Tick "NO" (I assume this is your position)

 

Section 4. Under your signature, cross out the word solicitor to it reads I the Appellant seek permission to appeal

 

Section 8. Other Applications : In the "because" text box at the bottom of section 8, sixth line down, I would ideally add the words "as amended" to the Default Notice Regulations 1983. This is because amendments changed the 7 day period to 14 days.

 

Section 9. Statement of Truth: below the signature box, cross out the words for solicitor. (Remember to do this for each copy you file in Court).

 

Skeleton Argument

 

Section 4. c (ii) remove 'pour encourager les autres'. It is French for "to encourage others". It is quoted out of context here. The phrase is taken from para 73 of the Wilson HoL judgment [2003] UKHL 40 where the context actually reads in relation to the severity of s127(3) on the lender:-

 

"73. The unattractive feature of this approach is that it will sometimes involve punishing the blameless pour encourager les autres"

 

section 74 in 'Wilson' goes on to say that despite the above risk, "This course is open to Parliament even though this will sometimes yield a seemingly unreasonable result in a particular case"

 

Section 4. e (ii) On line 1, the name should be Udele Edirin Kpohrahor.

 

Section K. Legislation. I propose you can remove the Bankers Books Evidence Act 1879 as you are don't need it.

 

'Shakey.

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Regarding CPR 31.15 and Human Rights issues, Did you request inspection under CPR 31.15 ? Also did the Judge fail to properly consider all the evidence before him ? (I don't mean whether he erred in law or misinterpreted the law).

It's important to get this right or there could be cost issues for appealing something irrelevant.

 

If there are no CPR 31.15 or Human Rights issues, you will need to amend Form N161, GoA, and Skeleton. You would still have good appeal material.

 

(Apologies if I'm not up to speed on the rest of your thread. I'll try and catch up shortly)

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HI MDAW

Glad you getting lots of help ! :)

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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Thanks Shakey for staying up so late looking at this for me, that was v kind of you. I have till Thurs 4pm to get this in & he said the skeleton at the same time is advisable in support of this too.

 

I also was concerned what bundles I had to get together for this application & the clerk said I only had to concern myself in section 10 with the top 8 boxes for now...once appeal is granted then my bundle stages will need to be done (although personally if I've got some of these docs to hand already wonder if I should tick the other boxes in section 10 there aswell?) What do you think??

 

Clerk told me when running down N161 section 5 with me re Human rights box this would not be applicable as isnt in alot of cases? :confused: I had requested CPR 31.14 which was not adhered to though so wouldnt Human Rights issues apply? What do you think (also snoops mentioned throwing in that Francovich principle, do you agree too.....(will take out the Bankers Book Evidence one)

 

Clerk also said re Stay question under section 5, he found my order unusual, not a great service was how he worded it as it did not have any time to pay it by/ forthwith within 14days etc so ticking the box to ask for Stay here would be a "NO" too......???

(IMO its only a matter of time this will come from Claimants tho??) :confused: What are your thoughts here on the yes no scenario......

 

Also the clerk said what was strange was that it had never been officially allocated to track, didnt know how its jumped the normal course of action (something I wasnt aware of & had assumed fast because it was 11k+, but then again I am a LIP what do I know :( )

 

In these very valuable days left to address this paperwork lets hope all my prayers/answers will be sorted soon (heres desperately hoping) thank you.

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Sorry to keep impacting on your time Shakey as I know you have a lot on your plate already.....along with what I posted before (ref your input) I have updated my skeleton now attached, section 4 i (I have left in red) as wondering if these are relevant....and francovich is in there awaiting clarification/thoughts on too thank you. :)

 

With regards to my appellants grounds for appeal could you just run over this for me...I am concerned re para 7 if this is relevant to me as my judgment notes by the DJ does not mention rankine but I do remember my court hearing on the day Restons bringing up something to do with Rankine?

 

para 11 also the last bit of this para which says... that said 6.7 in force at the time of the default notice being issued, I take it that refers to the consignia v sealy case above as mine was the Interpretation Act 1978, sect 7. (just checking me being a LIP)

 

para 13 would this then apply if para 7 taken out. para 21 has a mention of Rankine again aswell????

 

I also could do with some wording in here of the fact that they were in breach of 78 which the judgment notes referred to at 23 "Having considered the correspondence in question I am satisfied that by supplying D with a copy of the signed Priority Request Form together with the current T & C, C complied with the requirements of S.78."

 

BEAR IN MIND THIS WAS NOT A TRUE COPY, I HAD NOTHING PROVIDED IN COURT ON THE DAY.

 

Also the claim for statutory interest under s69 was in the POC too...

 

Nearly there now....ALL THOUGHTS/ADDITIONS/SUGGESTIONS WELCOME please......Thank you.......

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Thanks Shakey for staying up so late looking at this for me, that was v kind of you. I have till Thurs 4pm to get this in & he said the skeleton at the same time is advisable in support of this too.

 

I also was concerned what bundles I had to get together for this application & the clerk said I only had to concern myself in section 10 with the top 8 boxes for now...once appeal is granted then my bundle stages will need to be done (although personally if I've got some of these docs to hand already wonder if I should tick the other boxes in section 10 there aswell?) What do you think?? Don't overcomplicate things, concentrate on the core documents to get permission. If permission is granted you will be given plenty of time to sort out the bundle.

 

Clerk told me when running down N161 section 5 with me re Human rights box this would not be applicable as isnt in alot of cases? :confused: I had requested CPR 31.14 which was not adhered to though so wouldnt Human Rights issues apply? What do you think (also snoops mentioned throwing in that Francovich principle, do you agree too.....(will take out the Bankers Book Evidence one) Running a Human Rights argument considerably complicates matters as you need to comply with CPR 16 Practice Direction 15.1 AND also serve notice on the Treasury Solicitor.

 

Clerk also said re Stay question under section 5, he found my order unusual, not a great service was how he worded it as it did not have any time to pay it by/ forthwith within 14days etc so ticking the box to ask for Stay here would be a "NO" too......???

(IMO its only a matter of time this will come from Claimants tho??) :confused: What are your thoughts here on the yes no scenario...... As it does not give time for payment the order is for immediate payment, so unless you get a stay the other side can apply for a warrant of execution/ send in bailiffs/etc regardless of the fact you have appealled. I need to go back and reread your appelant's notice, but I am a bit busy. However you appear to have made a common mistake in section 8. This is NOT for evidence in support of your appeal but evidence in support of YOUR APPLICATION FOR A STAY. As I said in Un1boys thread you need to show why it would be wrong to make you pay up now and then claim the money back later if you win on appeal. Sorry this is a bit rushed.

 

Also the clerk said what was strange was that it had never been officially allocated to track, didnt know how its jumped the normal course of action (something I wasnt aware of & had assumed fast because it was 11k+, but then again I am a LIP what do I know :( )

Because summary judgment was applied for before allocation, the case is effectively 'trackless'. The result is that costs are wide open.

 

In these very valuable days left to address this paperwork lets hope all my prayers/answers will be sorted soon (heres desperately hoping) thank you.

 

Dad

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:eek: OMG I wasn't aware of how this order has been typed up and would therefore mean immediate payment was required...:eek: I am becoming more desperate now in making sure this does have to be spot on in my form, I have seen the witness statement on uniboys thread in suppt of a stay. Can I include my I & E from my DMP (Payplan in suppt of this then) also the wording on my N161 rephrased is it in...SECTION 7 (boxes here to tick?):confused: like this.....

 

The judgement for claimant entered against the Appellant on 28/1/10 be stayed and the claimant shall pay the Appellant costs of the application.

 

Due to the sums involved, if the respondant was able to enforce the order I would have serious financial difficulties and would have to consider selling our family home of 4 and we would be homeless, in order to pay the balance. To meet the terms of the order it would not be possible to sell it that quickly which could mean selling it below its market value. If the appeal succeeds I will be unable to then buy it back. As the Respondant is a large company, making millions of pounds per year in profits, they are in a position to hold the enforcement of the order.

 

See attached witness statement in support of this...

 

Also do I have to include MBNA profit & loss in suppt of me saying millions because when I click into this I am not sure how to locate that info

WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information

 

PLEASE ADVISE.... thank you.....

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See below,

 

Don't Panic

 

:eek: OMG I wasn't aware of how this order has been typed up and would therefore mean immediate payment was required...:eek: I am becoming more desperate now in making sure this does have to be spot on in my form, I have seen the witness statement on uniboys thread in suppt of a stay. Can I include my I & E from my DMP (Payplan in suppt of this then) also the wording on my N161 rephrased is it in...SECTION 7 (boxes here to tick?):confused: like this.....

 

The judgement for claimant entered against the Appellant on 28/1/10 be stayed and the claimant shall pay the Appellant costs of the application. Leave the bit in red out, it is a bit cheeky to ask them to pay the appeal fee before you have won!

 

If you are in a DMP that is quite important. I suggest you consider

 

Due to the sums involved, if the respondant was able to enforce the order I would have serious financial difficulties as I am currently in a Debt Management Plan. This would give the Respondent an unfair advantage over my other creditors and would have to consider selling our family home of 4 and we would be homeless, in order to pay the balance. To meet the terms of the order it would not be possible to sell it that quickly which could mean selling very substantaily below its market value. If the appeal succeeds I will be unable to then buy it back. As the Respondant is a large company, making millions of pounds per year in profits, they are in a position to hold the enforcement of the order.

 

See attached witness statement in support of this...

 

Also do I have to include MBNA profit & loss in suppt of me saying millions because when I click into this I am not sure how to locate that info

WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information

 

When you go to companies house click that link, then type in MBNA in the company name box. That will bring up a list of names. Find the name that EXACTLY matches the claimant in your case, then click on the number. That will take you to a page of outline information on the company. On the right hand side you will see a link saying order information on this company. Click that, then look for the latest AA type document. It costs about £1 to download. Then follow the guidance as per Un1boy's thread.

 

It is slightly unfortunate that MBNA is a subsidiary of Bank of America so does not have a web site with free financial data.

 

HTH

 

Dad

 

PLEASE ADVISE.... thank you.....

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Thanks when I finalise the N161 will include that info in section 7 - am sorting out the witness statement now & will post up for inspection shortly.

 

Hope my queries on the skeleton & grounds for appeal attached #412 can next be addressed (ANYBODY FROM SITE/shakey/docman or yourself if you have any thoughts & indeed any other caggers thoughts are welcome) I will be glad to have all this sorted TBH as I am becoming very anxious & stressed with it all now :(:(:(

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Dad I am posting up the Witness statement now ...will this be ok?

 

When I order information on MBNA Europe Bank Ltd I can see

GROUP OF COMPANIES' ACCOUNTS MADE UP TO 31/12/08

 

Thats the one I am paying for am I? I can then include those in the WS with the appropriate figures.

 

Just found this website with the details on for free......shall I print this off to include instead?

http://www.tuc.org.ukwww.ippr.org.ukwww.worksmart.org.uk/company/company.php?id=02783251

Annual profit: £284,000,000.00

 

Have also found the turnover stuff on here page 5

http://www.nwda.co.uk/pdf/NW%20PLC%2009.pdf

annual turnover is £671 million but also includes another pre tax profit figure?

Appellant Witness Statement MDAW.doc

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Dad I am posting up the Witness statement now ...will this be ok?

 

Yes it looks OK - Although you will have to delete that parts in bracket that do not apply. ie if you use a web site only mention the web site and if you use the companies house accounts only mention them.

 

When I order information on MBNA Europe Bank Ltd I can see

GROUP OF COMPANIES' ACCOUNTS MADE UP TO 31/12/08

 

Thats the one I am paying for am I? I can then include those in the WS with the appropriate figures.

 

Yes that is probably the last set of submitted accounts.

 

Just found this website with the details on for free......shall I print this off to include instead?

your company: MBNA EUROPE BANK LIMITED: company details - from workSMART.org.uk

Annual profit: £284,000,000.00

 

You could use this, but run the slight risk that the judge will not accept the evidence. The advantage of the companies house information is that it has been submitted directly by the company. For the small fee it is one more risk removed. If you are going to use this then you should change your witness statement to include something like:

 

"I examined the web site of the TUC, which is a respected representative body of trades unions in England. It maintains a database of companies in England derived from official companies house data. That database held a record for the Respondent which listed its annual profits as £284 million per annum. I exhibit at MDAWxx a print out of that record which I printed on 16 February 2010."

Have also found the turnover stuff on here page 5

http://www.nwda.co.uk/pdf/NW%20PLC%2009.pdf

annual turnover is £671 million but also includes another pre tax profit figure?

 

The annual profit figure is a suitable one to use.

 

 

HTH

 

Dad

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Thanks again Dad, the wording helps too (for the small £1 fee think I will keep to orig suggestion from you then) can I just check with you that in section 7 on the N161 when I do it again I am ticking both set aside and Order a new trial (as per Uni's thread) aswell as inputting that info posted up in #415??

 

In the meantime, as I wait for the other info on #416/#412 I will look at the EX160 form for remission fees, seems this may be applicable to me too.

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Thanks again Dad, the wording helps too, can I just check with you that in section 7 on the N161 when I do it again I am ticking both set aside and Order a new trial (as per Uni's thread) aswell as inputting that info posted up in #415??

 

In the meantime, as I wait for the other info on #416/#412 I will look at the EX160 form for remission fees, seems this may be applicable to me too.

 

1. Yes, it was a summary judgment hearing. So the outcome you want is: the summary judgment to be set aside (the order), your costs for the summary judgment hearing and appeal and the full hearing where all the evidence is tested that you are entitled to.

 

2. Yes if you are in a DMP you might qualify for a fees remission.

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MDAW,

 

Section 7 tick the boxes : set aside the order which I am appealing and order a new trial.

 

Section 8

 

In Part A , which is titled: I apply for a stay of execution because

 

Due to the sums involved, if the respondant was able to enforce the order I would have serious financial difficulties as I am currently in a Debt Management Plan. This would give the Respondent an unfair advantage over my other creditors and would have to consider selling our family home of 4 and we would be homeless, in order to pay the balance. To meet the terms of the order it would not be possible to sell it that quickly which could mean selling very substantaily below its market value. If the appeal succeeds I will be unable to then buy it back. As the Respondant is a large company, making millions of pounds per year in profits, they are in a position to hold the enforcement of the order.

 

Then in section 9 put: See attached witness statement.

 

HTH

 

Dad

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Dad what about the rest of my part 8 where I had information in part c and the because section below it, surely this stops in & some of my evidence in support on section 9 with that attached witness statement :confused:

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MDAW,

 

Section 8

Section 8 deals with 'Other applications'. That is orders IN ADDITION to the main appeal order requested in Section 7.

 

So in your case:

 

Part A

You need to complete this as discussed above because you need a stay.

 

Part B

You are submitting you appeal within 21 days so do not need to complete this part as you do not need an extension of time.

 

Part C

This is intended to deal with any applications before the appeal is heard, eg further disclosure or a some form of temporary injuction to maintain the status quo. It is NOT for you to set out the reasons for appealing.

 

As you do not need any orders other than a stay pending the appeal you can leave Part C blank.

 

Having said the one order you might consider here is to request that the court orders the respondent to prepare the appeal bundles. The advantage of this is that there is a LOT of copying in preparing the appeal bundles. If you do not have access to a copier this can be quite resource intensive. In my case each bundle was 200 pages x 3 = 600 pages, all properly numbered and indexed. The bank will have all the resources to do this. The disadvantage is that you hand control of the bundles to the bank and if you lose it will add to the costs. If you can I would produce the bundles yourself.

 

(Just for completeness I should add that the reasons for appealing are properly set out in the grounds for appeal and skeleton argument).

 

I trust that clears thing up.

 

Dad

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MDAW,

 

Section 8

Section 8 deals with 'Other applications'. That is orders IN ADDITION to the main appeal order requested in Section 7.

 

So in your case:

 

Part A

You need to complete this as discussed above because you need a stay.

 

Part B

You are submitting you appeal within 21 days so do not need to complete this part as you do not need an extension of time.

 

Part C

This is intended to deal with any applications before the appeal is heard, eg further disclosure or a some form of temporary injuction to maintain the status quo. It is NOT for you to set out the reasons for appealing.

 

As you do not need any orders other than a stay pending the appeal you can leave Part C blank.

 

Having said the one order you might consider here is to request that the court orders the respondent to prepare the appeal bundles. The advantage of this is that there is a LOT of copying in preparing the appeal bundles. If you do not have access to a copier this can be quite resource intensive. In my case each bundle was 200 pages x 3 = 600 pages, all properly numbered and indexed. The bank will have all the resources to do this. The disadvantage is that you hand control of the bundles to the bank and if you lose it will add to the costs. If you can I would produce the bundles yourself.

 

(Just for completeness I should add that the reasons for appealing are properly set out in the grounds for appeal and skeleton argument).

 

I trust that clears thing up.

 

Dad

 

Cheers again Dad

 

Part 8A cannot fit all that information in online which is a shame, have printed out the doc ready part filled and will write it in small instead. Also can I just mention in section 7online it only allows one box to be ticked....shall I still go ahead & tick it by pen the other box too you mentioned.

 

I still need feedback anybody on the grounds for appeal/skeleton as per my posting #412#416 docs up......have red triangled too, hope somebody will be along soon as need it all to be printed off & finished tonight so I can go straight from work to the court with it tomorrow...

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