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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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It's horrendous-they don't respect, age, infirmity, disability, illness or even death. The world has gone mad-corruption everywhere from the top downwards, which is why we've got to dig our heels in and make a stand, using whatever declining laws and justice we can lay our hands on. Thankfully there are still lots of successes against these Goliaths. Largely thanks to CAG and similar sites.

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Hi Elsa, You nailed it there, they rely on the fact that we may not be equipped physically or mentally to take them on. I have paid up for four years, but now regardless of age and damaged spinal cord which affects every muscle I feel like part of a large army on the offensive. Cant wait for the next stage....................Ruff x

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Since most of us know that the entire system is fraudulent, has anyone raised this issue with their bank? What kind of response did you get?

 

Has anyone made any progress in getting loans written off etc?

 

 

0h yes, yes indeed , currently working on over half a million's worth between my friends & myself. using Contract law, their non disclosure, they provided nothing of substance & value, a signature created the funds etc. once you get into this, its the biggest rabbit hole ever !!!! talk about their fraud & their deception!!!!!! OMG

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for those wanting to play catch up on the much much bigger picture, i suggest listening to this podcast ( or downloading it) as a starter!

 

The Lawful Rebellion Guide Pt.1 | Over time, we will seek to give people as much standing as possible with Lawful Rebellion | Common Law, Commercial Redemption, Sovereign, Common Law | Lawful Rebellion

 

BTW it is said that God created Man in his own image. with Commerce somewhere down the bottom of the pile. Why is it then that Corporations seem to have so much power & sway over us, when we as Sovereign human beings ( number 2 under God) are so much more that these fictions & money grabbers.! We have SO much more power then any legal fiction. Corporation etc.

 

We have the Power to say NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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0h yes, yes indeed , currently working on over half a million's worth between my friends & myself. using Contract law, their non disclosure, they provided nothing of substance & value, a signature created the funds etc. once you get into this, its the biggest rabbit hole ever !!!! talk about their fraud & their deception!!!!!! OMG

 

Are you preparing for court cases on this, or just giving banks and DCA's a hard time?

 

I am at the beginning stages of this with about £20k (3 unsecured loans) which I simply cannot afford.

 

I am about to write a complaint letter highlighting all their fraud to them as justification for not paying them anything, although if the debt was genuine then I would negotiate some form of payment:lol:

 

Have you had any interesting responses from banks?

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i'm not going down the Court route (Public) , as i said games are played on courts and the dice are loaded ( against us) . I am am looking for my remedies in the Private.

 

oh yes i have had some very interesting sqirmish responses from banks & other "lenders" . one or two are dealing with my paperwork as if it is a "Hot potatoe" and they don't want to be holding it. Its all about getting the power back to the Man or Woman, no some dumb a*s corporation!

 

If you are at the begining of your Journey then i suggest a lot of studying is in order. My route is quite a bit different from the becoming-main-stream that is here on CAG ( although this is a very fine place to start your education)

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Hi nuke em...

 

I think you'll find this interesting... it is beginning to happen and

I believe this is why the powers that be seem to be in one hell

of a hurry to get the World Government installed. Brown seems so

keen on calling these international meetings....

 

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/760.html

 

 

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for those wanting to play catch up on the much much bigger picture, i suggest listening to this podcast ( or downloading it) as a starter!

 

The Lawful Rebellion Guide Pt.1 | Over time, we will seek to give people as much standing as possible with Lawful Rebellion | Common Law, Commercial Redemption, Sovereign, Common Law | Lawful Rebellion

 

BTW it is said that God created Man in his own image. with Commerce somewhere down the bottom of the pile. Why is it then that Corporations seem to have so much power & sway over us, when we as Sovereign human beings ( number 2 under God) are so much more that these fictions & money grabbers.! We have SO much more power then any legal fiction. Corporation etc.

 

We have the Power to say NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

happy new year nuke em!

 

and what is your conspiracy theory for christmas? i am sure the turkeys cannot be all that innocent a party in the proceedings? what are they up to?

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Hi nuke em...

 

I think you'll find this interesting... it is beginning to happen and

I believe this is why the powers that be seem to be in one hell

of a hurry to get the World Government installed. Brown seems so

keen on calling these international meetings....

 

Financial Coup D'Etat

 

 

charlie

 

 

Charlie, goto the link on post 281, listen & learn what they are saying, thats where i'm at

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happy new year nuke em!

 

and what is your conspiracy theory for christmas? i am sure the turkeys cannot be all that innocent a party in the proceedings? what are they up to?

 

 

And the same to you. Turkeys are further down the ladder than us Humans, that's why we eat them not they eat us.

 

BTW did you personally follow the advices given in post 259 on this thread ? ,

 

also there no conspiracy theorys, nothing to see here, move right along!

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And the same to you. Turkeys are further down the ladder than us Humans, that's why we eat them not they eat us.

 

BTW did you personally follow the advices given in post 259 on this thread ? ,

 

also there no conspiracy theorys, nothing to see here, move right along!

 

i gave all my belongings away to a charity

 

the destitute DCA fund i think it was called!

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i gave all my belongings away to a charity

 

the destitute DCA fund i think it was called!

 

Good Man! i personally would have picked a better charity , but i'm not you

 

now read this

 

China will soon have the power to switch off the lights in the West - Telegraph

 

you might want to pick up on what Gerald Celente has to say about this year, he is the world leading expert of Trends, via his trends institute

 

http://www.lewrockwell.com/celente/celente21.1.html

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having been to university and studied the "bleedin obvious"

 

why would britain not do the same instead of using nuclear weapons- then we'd all be in the dark (just like you)

 

alternatively , if the chinks did that- who would they sell all their tat to?

 

finally, by 2050 my lights will already be out!!

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having been to university and studied the "bleedin obvious" Nurse Nurse, Dick y needs his meds! he thinks he went to a Uni :D!

 

why would britain not do the same instead of using nuclear weapons- then we'd all be in the dark (just like you) Hey Dick, dont shoot me i'm just the messenger, all i'm saying is that things/the world is changing , big time, all the old beliefs/values etc are going to change, thats all, ya should have picked that up from the Celente vids as well

alternatively , if the chinks did that- who would they sell all their tat to? - dunno, their own population? 1.4 Billion & counting

 

finally, by 2050 my lights will already be out!. Nite Nite !

 

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Nuke em

 

Are you a freeman on the land, or in lawful rebellion?

 

What approach are you using to deal with the courts?

 

I'm not really sure about the "not a person" approach. In theory, lawful rebellion sounds good, i.e. "I'm in lawful rebllion under article 61 so I don't have to obey you - get lost" but not quite sure how to put that into legal language.

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Nuke em, I think you're living in the wrong country.

 

America seems much more like the right arena for your theories as your links seem to originate over there. The last time anything like this succeeded Che Guevara lead the revolt for the free man. Although he died his ideals live on in Cuba, but its not my idea of utopia.

 

I love the idea of overturning the mega powerful elite's control over our daily lives, but it ain't gonna happen in our lifetime. I do appreciate your sense of humour though!

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Nuke em, I think you're living in the wrong country. Really?

 

America seems much more like the right arena for your theories as your links seem to originate over there. The last time anything like this succeeded Che Guevara lead the revolt for the free man. Although he died his ideals live on in Cuba, but its not my idea of utopia. The purpose of this thread was to show the lie that is "money" & that 97% of "Money" is created as debt, this is the same pretty much throughout the Western world, in fact anywhere where you have a Private for Profit Central Bank as we have and so do the yanks ! so its the same system. I'm not interested in Che or Cuba , however i would like our Treasury to issue money without debt (remember this is a debt forum , how did we all get here i wonder?) instead of the Private for Profit Bank of England .

 

I love the idea of overturning the mega powerful elite's control over our daily lives, but it ain't gonna happen in our lifetime. It will if we just say NO, collectively. we have the power ,its just that most dont know (yet) I do appreciate your sense of humour though! , thanks !

 

 

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Nuke em

 

Are you a freeman on the land, or in lawful rebellion?

 

What approach are you using to deal with the courts?

 

I'm not really sure about the "not a person" approach. In theory, lawful rebellion sounds good, i.e. "I'm in lawful rebllion under article 61 so I don't have to obey you - get lost" but not quite sure how to put that into legal language.

 

 

You can't deal with the Courts, they are not there to help you but to make a profit as they are ALL corporations!!!! ( all Ministry of Justice DBA whichever court etc) . i keep everything in the Private, I don't go near the Public (courts)

 

the Purple colour should tell you all !!!!! ( geddit)

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This is not the first time this has been mooted on the Forum as I think some one else has already acknowledged [bookie?].

 

I remember reading an article on the web about ten years ago in relation to reclaiming on your loan or credit card from US financial institutions. I may be wrong but I expect the Laws are different there. In addition, as I recall, there was a clause in their contracts that stated some thing like where the funds had originated-can't remember anything like the exact wording. Something that is not present on our contracts.

 

Now if what they were preaching was true, one would have thought that after 10 years, if this worked, then most Americans would be using it to get out of their loan, mortgage etc etc. It is pretty obvious that this is not happening judging by the number of bank repossessions that have occurred in the USA over the past two years or so.

 

In addition, were it established that debts could be written off like that, why would finance houses continue lending money?

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In the US they can opt out of being charged for going overdrawn, they simply ask the bank not to pay anything that will take them overdrawn and hence they do not get charged any 'service fee' for deciding whether to pay an item or not as there is no decision to be made.

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Hello tifo!

 

In the US they can opt out of being charged for going overdrawn, they simply ask the bank not to pay anything that will take them overdrawn and hence they do not get charged any 'service fee' for deciding whether to pay an item or not as there is no decision to be made.
The UK banks hate to admit the same applies here.

 

There is no such thing as an Unauthorised Overdraft. Every penny in the red is always Authorised. That's because their systems have always been more than capable of enforcing a zero balance limit when ever they want to.

 

I know from experience they can do this when they want to.

 

Once this is understood and accepted, the true nature of the whole UK bank charges issue is revealed in all of its banking Fairy-Tale glory.

 

The true reality is that when granting any Overdraft, the banks will always set a true limit, and a pretend limit. For example, taking a £5,000 Overdraft as an example:

 

£0 to -£5,000 OD is the so-called Authorised Limit but, in reality, this is actually just a Pretend Limit.

 

-£10,000 is the True Limit, beyond which they will never go, that's if that is the True Limit they have set. It may be higher, but there will be a True Limit marked on their system.

 

The zone between the Pretend Limit and the True Limit is the Charging Zone, and that's where the banks want people to stray in order to harvest charges. They will bleat and moan and cry Crocodile Tears, blaming the beastly Consumers and Businesses for grabbing number-money to which they were not entitled...without ever mentioning the fact that the bank handed the opportunity to them on a plate in the first place.

 

Cheers,

BRW

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the word you're looking for is "Shadow limit" not pretend limit. I suspect there is an element of truth in there somewhere, but remember banks charge for not paying items too, so enforcing a xero balance regime wouldn't remove charges, you'd just get different charges from the bank and probably charges from whomever should have been paid too.

 

So it seems a case of pay the direct debit and go over the agreed limit and incur charges and interest; or don't pay beyond your limit and incur charges, interest and a second charge from your mortgage/loan provider, credit card company etc and have a liate payment note added to your credit file.

 

Heads they win - tails they win a bit more.......

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