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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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a 'city' is a big place and this is in a mostly residential area,

 

least to mention that it's the same piece of land that my apartment block is on, owned by the same company that i bought my apartment off, and that I pay maintenence to.

 

not that any of that is the issue at hand - the issue at hand is a private company issuing 'PCNs' on postcoded public access roads.

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The general idea in this site is to help each other

 

Such comments as "ignorant freeloader" are not helpful and especially not from one such as yourself who has a limited post history of 2

 

 

In future, if you feel this way about such things, stay off the parking related forums and keep your blood pressure lower

 

I would add that I find it somewhat suspicous that you would seek out this forum and then in your 2nd post attempt to back up the private parking companies attitude, but maybe thats just me

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I see nothing wrong with IEA CIEOs issuing PCNs on roads adjoining carparks where they hold the contract for enforcement.

Yes we all know your views Mr PPC Troll. The question is that the paper that they issue is about as enforcable as toilet paper. There is also the question of the dubious legality of these "invoices".

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Do you really expect there to be free parking areas in a city like Bristol?

 

No reason why not.

 

For a while (I am not sure it still holds) Sunderland was one big free parking area as the authorities had failed to ensure that their signage was legal.

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hi everyone! back in october i had a parking ticket from w j parking. after hearing nothing for 3 and a half months i have now had a letter through the post saying i have to pay them £130!it also says that if i wasn't the driver i have to name who was. i have a few questions though. on the parking ticket they have actually put the wrong street name.and am i also correct in thinking that they have to prove who the driver was at the time of the "offence".? i was all set not to pay this, but have been a bit shaken again now after getting this letter.ohh and the other thing is i have seen an heard that w j parking have gone bust, or in recivership,does this not have any effect on what they can send me? cheers overandout.

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Do you really expect there to be free parking areas in a city like Bristol?

Why not?

 

Given that Bristol CC are the biggest bunch of facists you could imagine when it comes to parking. (e.g. They've ridden roughshod over the publics wishes when a residential parking permit was piloted in spite of a majority opposition to it.) They ticket like it's going out of fashion, have reduced the number of on street parking places and repeatedly ballsed up public transport (one of the most expensive bus rides in the country).

 

So if I found a spot where I could park for nothing I'd be inclined to use it.

 

OP where abouts did you say it was? :D

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Hey, i have recieved one of these on tuesday at half 10 at night, same place lime kiln road, i have got in contact with avon and somerset police and they have heard lots about this company, so have trading standards when i called them.

i spoke to the parking warden when he was issueing another ticket to my vehicle and asked where are the signs then?? his responce was 'about' i then continued to **** him off whilst claiming the ticketed vehicle wasnt mine.

i also asked if he had any id, from what i understand parking wardens need to carry one?? is this true?

 

a friend just took the ticket off his car and set fire to it in front of me as he has had a few and has never recieved a letter from them.

 

any ideas guys?? shall i continue to pay it / park there??

cheers

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i also forgot to mention that just before christmas i had my car towed away due to the council covering up a sign that stated parking times, i take it that its too late to appeal against that??

o i have lots of evidence for that aswell loads of photos and stuff

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Hey, i have recieved one of these on tuesday at half 10 at night, same place lime kiln road, i have got in contact with avon and somerset police and they have heard lots about this company, so have trading standards when i called them.

i spoke to the parking warden when he was issueing another ticket to my vehicle and asked where are the signs then?? his responce was 'about' i then continued to **** him off whilst claiming the ticketed vehicle wasnt mine.

i also asked if he had any id, from what i understand parking wardens need to carry one?? is this true?

 

a friend just took the ticket off his car and set fire to it in front of me as he has had a few and has never recieved a letter from them.

 

any ideas guys?? shall i continue to pay it / park there??

cheers

 

 

 

See AI27's reply to the original post, ignore them

 

The only time I would worry is if they start clamping, but only due to the inconvenience of having to pay to get it removed and then sueing them to get the money back!

 

 

 

Not too sure about your other point , hopefully someone will know......

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hi everyone! back in october i had a parking ticket from w j parking. after hearing nothing for 3 and a half months i have now had a letter through the post saying i have to pay them £130!it also says that if i wasn't the driver i have to name who was. i have a few questions though. on the parking ticket they have actually put the wrong street name.and am i also correct in thinking that they have to prove who the driver was at the time of the "offence".? i was all set not to pay this, but have been a bit shaken again now after getting this letter.ohh and the other thing is i have seen an heard that w j parking have gone bust, or in recivership,does this not have any effect on what they can send me? cheers overandout.

 

 

Doesnt matter, ticket is most probably a waste of space whatever

 

Ignore all they are saying, its tosh

 

Can you scan a copy of the ticket (removing your details) and let us see it to comment on content?

 

 

As with the others above, does it mention the road traffic act at all?

 

If so, its unlawful

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Quite

 

Even better!

omnia praesumuntur legitime facta donec probetur in contrarium

 

 

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Hi guys

I've been reading this thread with great interest, as 14 Services have also tried the same thing on me for parking on Lime Kiln Road, Bristol. However, I made the mistake of writing to appeal before I found your site, and have just received the attached rejection letter. The alleged 'offence' took place before Christmas 08 and the only sineage around seemed to relate to the adjacent building site.

From everything I've seen on your site, I shouldn't be concerned about the attached, however, I'm a bit of a scaredy cat and also I wouldn't want any baliffs arriving at my house and harassing my family if I wasn't there at the time. I've also seen Bernie the Bolt's suggested template letters and was considering replying using the suggested wording.

Any thoughts would be most welcome - Cheers.

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put it on tinypic and post the URL up here in some usable form - suitably wash the picture of any personal details first, though zero chance of these jokers taking it to court by the looks of things. keep you own details private its the net and other PPCs trawl it for victims.

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Thanks lamma. I was going to write back clarifying that this alledged debt is under dispute (to keep the baliffs at bay? [see Bernie the Bolt advice]) asking the following:

 

- who is the adjudication officer

- the name of the person who signed the letter

- why is there no right of further appeal

- how is it lawful to refuse to enter into further correspondence

- under which law(s) would the vehicle keeper be liable for anything

 

and pointing out as I did in my first letter that the laws they refer to in the original PCN do not apply to provate companies and that their demand for payment was illegal. What do you think?

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don't waste your stamp - unless you want to get lost of letters from them that you can send to trading Standards later :) Bailiffs have NOTHING to do with this. if PPC takes you to court (won't happen) and you lose (won't happen) and then refuse to pay (can't get this far the train stopped long ago).

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• do not pay

• do not contact them

ignore their letters, no matter how threatening

• they will give up and go away after a few letters

 

Your ticket is an interesting one because it's downright illegal. Councils enforce parking restrictions on the public highway with the Traffic Management Act. To issue private invoices using it as a way to dupe you into paying is fraud.

 

The police are unlikely to be interested, but send a copy to your local council 's parking department. They should be very interested.

 

As for you appeal - don't bother as there is no appeals process. A private company fraudulently [causing problems] the public is not going to accept 'appeals'.

 

 

As a Civil Enforcement Officer, I agree with the above. If the council has taken over the highways enforcement (as in its been decriminalised in that area). Then the council will issue the PCN, and it should clearly state the councils name etc.

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If the council has taken over the highways enforcement (as in its been decriminalised in that area). Then the council will issue the PCN, and it should clearly state the councils name etc.

 

I would suggest that Councils, even as highway authorities do not take over "highways enforcement"; they may well take over parking enforcement,but rest assured other highways enforcement remains in the hands of the Police

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Thanks guys

Darwen - I think you may have missed the point a little. The council have not taken over parking enforcement in this area, it is apparently private land, so my concern is around whether or not the charges are valid and enforceable.

Cheers

Hatchet

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I would suggest that Councils, even as highway authorities do not take over "highways enforcement"; they may well take over parking enforcement,but rest assured other highways enforcement remains in the hands of the Police

 

I was refering to the highways enforcement for that area dealing with "Parking on the highways". I appologise for not making that clear.

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