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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi Milly - Soz hunny, not been online properly for few days as littl'un poorly so didn't realise ur post!! I think The G/M & S/H have the right idea, although i am not quite confident enough yet to give huge advice to others, i think that what they have agreed seems the best option, i would probably file it away & keep it nice so that you have it to show a judge etc if nec' in the future! I sent off a copy of the letter Rory drafted for me last week but obviously haven't heard anything yet, unless a reply comes in the post this morn!

Take care & let us know if anything else turns up! Mpols x

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I agree with Godmother. Ignore them until you get a letter. I had Cap1 ignore me for months then i sent a Section 10 Notice and 2 days later they passed it to a DCA who gave me loads of hassle and rubbish. Should have let them continue to ignore me! :)

 

I had DML for a while. CCA'd them and they ignored it and then they sent a letter stating they were preparing Court action so i said great, bring it on. I had nothing from them so wrote and asked where the Court papers were, that i was preparing my defence and was looking forward to the Hearing date. They replied "sorry, those Court threats were sent 'in error'" and we are "passing the account back to the creditor." :)

 

 

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SH

 

You have said the last thing you want to do is wake them up.

 

Dont you think if you was to send them a letter that it would wake them up as they would have to look at the account and then further reply to the letter.

 

Personally i think that that is classed as waking them up more than ignoring them.

 

Any way i have only said ignore them until they send a letter demanding money as then you can hit them with unenforcability and then you can report them to TS and the OFT.

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Hi Milly - Soz hunny, not been online properly for few days as littl'un poorly so didn't realise ur post!! I think The G/M & S/H have the right idea, although i am not quite confident enough yet to give huge advice to others, i think that what they have agreed seems the best option, i would probably file it away & keep it nice so that you have it to show a judge etc if nec' in the future! I sent off a copy of the letter Rory drafted for me last week but obviously haven't heard anything yet, unless a reply comes in the post this morn!

Take care & let us know if anything else turns up! Mpols x

 

Ps, Thanks Godmother & Scabhunter for jumping in! ;) xx

 

 

Hope you are feeling better hunny! Thanks godmother et al:)

 

Well yesterday I got what looked like a payslip with tear open bits all round it from debt managers saying we wish to confirm our appointment. we will call between 5.30pm and 7.30pm:mad:

I do not think so. I am gonna send the doorstep collector letter. They can p** off if they think I agree to them coming round my house. Also in the pile of letters yesterday was another letter from Debt managers saying they want to give me a substantial discount. i was laughing my head off again :D:D I was thinking of 0.00p!!! ha

 

 

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Evening peeps - Just a quickie to update that has been Just over a week now! No reponse so far! Is sooooo quiet...They don't call, they don't write.....:p

Take care, Mpols x

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:DEllo peeps - Just an update to let (Rory) know that response today in form of letter stating will accept the £1 pcm payment offer on the basis of the template you sorted for me - Many thanks indeed! Take care, Mpols x

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Hi mpols,

Hope you are all well.

A pound a month. Good result.

With a little luck they'll leave you alone for a while.

 

take care.

 

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nice result u could have not hoped for a better one except a rite of but hey its only £1.00 a month

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hi mystic et al,:)

 

 

I received a letter from debt managers today to say they have closed their file and sent back to next directory. they also confirm tha NO FURTHER action will be taken by them????

 

Blinky bill this was postdated 19th december. my letter about doorstop visitors only arrived yesterday? :confused:

 

What do you thinks happened?

 

 

me thinks they know they havd no hope and passed it back;)

 

 

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MillyMollyMoo 1-Debt Managers 0 :D

 

Haven't seen Mpols on for a few days but she'll be chuffed for you.

 

Another one bites the dust.

 

You'll get a bit of peace for a while so enjoy it :D

 

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Hiya Fox:D

 

Til after xmas I suppose then next will send ' you owe...blah..blah..' be interesting who they will send it to now as one debt collector won't touch it;)

 

thanks once again. Wishing lots of luck for mystic:)

 

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:p Merry crimbo eve to all of yous!!!

So so soz not been online few days - Been mad here with youngun's & bdays & fam visiting etc - But am Fox is right Milly, Am chuffed for you!

& Yep, this £1 a month that has been accepted is brill for hubby rather than what it was previously & until they provide the paperwork it is all they will be getting - Am waiting to see if they pass it on now ha ha! Anyway, am hoping every1 is well & relatively happy & has a fab few days!

Big hugs, Mpols x

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Hey mystic :D sounded great fun!

 

I went away for acouple of days with my two kids and O/H. Back with a razor blade throat and deaf ears at the mo!!!!

 

Received another letter from debt managers again, confirming no further action by them on PROPER nice paper this time!!! {yes I understood the first time!!!!]

 

I am waiting for the next {{{ha ha get it!!!}}}} round of who calls me!!!!

 

Milly XXX

 

P.S Happy New Year!!!!:D

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Hi Milly (happens to be my youngests' name ;)) Mayb they sent u another copy to try and get u to repond? i dunno - Think i would just file it away with all the others hun.

Hope u feel better soon - Happy new year to you too. Mpols x

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Had a call from these a couple of days ago all out of the blue - am waiting for their letter as refused to deal over the phone - assumming they will be wanting to reassess the £1 a month that they are having at the moment - In light of no agreement plus no default or NOA ever being received i think thats ALL they will be getting if not less for a lonnnnng time! Hope everyone is well. Mpols x

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hi mpols.

 

Well that was outta the blue as u said. Stand ur ground plead poverty if u must.

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"Stand ur ground plead poverty if u must" - Hi Gm, How are you? We intend to stand our ground as much as possible - and pleading poverty won't be much of a falsehood at the moment anyway to be honest! We'll see what they have to say when any letters are received - maybe they have found the actual agreement at last? ya never know! Take care, Mpols x

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hi Mpols.

 

I am fine.

 

If they get funny just tell tehm take me to court they will set the amount and they cant set it at £1.00 a month.

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Please remember the only stupid question is the one you dont ask so dont worry about asking the stupid questions.

 

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