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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. 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The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
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    • Gosh mate I've woke up this morning with half the worry I had last night when going to sleep!.  I can't believe how much this forum has helped me over the years and I don't  have the words to explain the gratitude I feel towards you guys -  Now that I've slept on it I feel ready to reject this company and my plan is to make them an offer to accept payments to date as full and final settlement - I will I think write them a letter once my review is completed or maybe just send it now whilst they are reviewing explaining my kids are unwell for which reason I'm struggling to survive and if I can politely request for them to accept payment to date as a full and final - I'll mention I don't have any cash or anyone to borrow from to offer a full or even part amount of the remaining balance of the iva and therfore am unable to make a offer of payment.   If they agree to at least even put my offer to the creditors then I feel it's better I hang in there and that way I won't have to deal with any possibilities of more defaults and ccjs    Right now the only adverse effects on my credit report are the iva that is now 3 years old and 2 Ccj one coming of this July and one thus October.    But I am worried new action will begin and new defaults and Ccj may start to appear because I've paying into an agreement im under the impression the 6 year rules starts again so yes I have lost of mixed feelings about this but I'm not going to lie you guys have put some life back into my breath this week as for the last 3 years I've felt caged like an animal and this morning I feel freer I can't explain how much but certainly my soul feel lighter today thanks to yin because I'm now viewing this review totally different to I do yesterday thanks to you guys 
    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
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Have some fun let em take you to court, as long as you have been paying Tesco and you can prove it, you could have a right old giggle

 

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I've received a letter from a DCA titled Notice of Collection Visit. It says someone will visit, not may, but will.

 

Bit of background info.

 

OC have a CCJ against me, they tried to get a charging order but failed on account of the fact I live in a rented house. The judge ordered that I continue with the small monthly payments I was making. This I have done without fail. Without any NOA a DCA wrote saying I had missed payments, I phoned them to say I was still paying OC as instructed by the court, I said I wouldn't deal with them until debt was legally assigned to them. I also told them on no circumstances to send a doorstep collector.

 

Assuming someone does turn up what would be the best way to handle the situation and cause the DCA the most pain.

 

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Send this letter......

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/letter-templates/131334-dca-response-threats-home.html

 

Edit to suit your circumstances.

 

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If it's the subject of a CCJ, then no ****** self-important DCA can make you pay anymoreI think you are correct in refusing to deal with them. I would also send a stiff letter of complaint to the O.C. and contact T.S. the O.C. is acting in breach of the OFT guidelines. it's not the DCA's fault as they will be the normal ignorant walloper with not a brain cell between them

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Send the letter mentioned by rooster.

 

IF they turn up you don't have to open the door but if you do open the door tell them to s0d off, there is absolutely nothing they can do about it, they have absolutely NO powers at all. Do not get into any kind of discussion with them, give them 5 seconds (or 10 seconds if you have a particularly long driveway) to get off your property otherwise you will call the police (local number not 999) to report a breach of the peace.

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Tesco obtained a CCJ against me about 2 yrs ago. I was ordered to pay £7/mth. A month ago they sent a statement with the balance of the loan at nil, it had previously been about £11K, I am assuming they are going to sell the debt. My question is, what happens about the CCJ considering the account balance is now nil.

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

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The CCJ will still be valid until the debt is repaid.

 

Unfortunately, if it had crossed your mind that you didn't have to pay any more (which I'm sure it hasn't); then it would give Tesco a very good reason to go for a possible Charging Order (if you own a property that is).

 

Bloomin' 'eck, I'm sounding like a DCA here.....full of "if's" !!! :eek:

 

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What if you own a property but there is no equity plus your mortgage is up to date - can a creditor force a charging order on you then?

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What if you own a property but there is no equity plus your mortgage is up to date - can a creditor force a charging order on you then?

 

 

Here's a good link that should answer most questions you have -

 

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/legal-issues/203298-guide-charging-orders-orders.html

 

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I’ve been paying a CCJ off at £7/mth, 2 mths ago I received a statement from the creditor saying the balance was nil, I know I still owe about £11K and assumed the account was to be sold. I didn’t cancel the SO I’d been paying and the next payment went out. Today I received a letter from my bank saying the £7 had been re-credited to my account because the receiving account was closed. I’ve heard nothing from the original creditor or any buyer. Any ideas what’s going on? should I cancel the SO? Is this some kind of wicked DCA plot?

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Make sure that you keep the letter from your bank safe, should they make any claims that you haven't paid, you will have proof that you did and the error was at their end.

 

I would suggest that you write a letter qrequesting clarification of the status of the account from the company you have been paying.

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I had a CCJ registered against me in 2008, after receiving papers from Northampton and admitting the debt. I can't find any paperwork for it now. The creditor then applied for a charging order which I successfully defended in my local court, I won on account of living in rented accomodation. I can't find any paperwork for that either.

 

I'm really annoyed with myself because I'm usually very organised with paperwork.

 

Would it be possible for me to get copies of the paperwork from the courts? how would I go about it, as I don't have any case numbers etc?

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6yrs from its birth.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I received a ccj on a cc debt 6 years ago.

 

 

I made the small payments that the judge ordered,

then after a few months they took me to court again to try and get a charging order on the house.

 

 

Trouble was I was living in rented accommodation.

 

 

After a few more months they sent me a statement saying the account was closed.

 

 

The direct debit was still in place but it was returned to my account.

 

 

I sent them a letter asking what was the status of the account, they ignored this.

The next DD was returned so I cancelled the DD,

I haven’t heard anything from anyone re this account in the past 5 years.

 

Could anyone shed any light on whether they can resurrect this ccj’d account

even though there has been no activity for the last 5 years

and they have said the account is closed with a nil balance.

 

 

I ask this because I may soon have a financial interest in a house

and I don’t want to get a charging order on it.

 

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name names and dates please

 

 

and what was the org debt and WHO took you to court.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The original debt was a personal loan (not a CC) with Tesco finance, it was Tesco who took me to court both times. There was still over £10K owing.

 

The CCJ was in September '08, they tried for the charging order about 2 months later.

 

I received a statement showing the balance as nil and the account closed in November '09. The last DD payment was October '09.

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The original debt was a personal loan (not a CC) with Tesco finance, it was Tesco who took me to court both times. There was still over £10K owing.

 

The CCJ was in September '08, they tried for the charging order about 2 months later.

 

I received a statement showing the balance as nil and the account closed in November '09. The last DD payment was October '09.

Do you regularly check your credit reference files? If so does this debt show on them.

It seems to me that this account may well have been sold on.

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I’ve looked on noodle and this account is there, showing the lender as Tesco, no other names appear.

 

It shows a defaulted date of 30/10/09. It appears that Tesco have defaulted the account then closed it 3 days later.

 

I still need advice whether someone can reactivate the old ccj.

 

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usual action to default then sell on.

 

 

so now confirmed as sold

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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