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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi folks, hope someone can advise.....

 

We moved into our new house at the beginning of march but my wife had to give her job up as we moved out of the area, anyway, the gist of the matter is we didnt pay for the final month of 2007/8 and we hadnt paid anything of 2008/9.

 

Anyway, we had a bailiff from Rossendales round in August regarding the other account which is being paid off in full on tuesday (only £100 remaining) he called when i was at work and the wife let him in and he levied our possesions, however a different bailiff attended on tuesday regarding the 2008/9 account and left a letter stating we owed £1300 and he would be back at his convenience to collect the money or remove our goods. Now i know he cant do this as he hasnt been in our home and he hasnt levied anything.

 

I phoned the council today and asked for a revised statement as we're moving next week and they are updating rossendales records to show that we owe approx £710.

 

The bailiff rang me tonight and i informed him of what the council said, i also informed him that i've wrote to rossendales today and also sent a copy of the letter to the council proposing a payment plan, at which point he said the plan would be refused outright, he didnt even ask me what i'd proposed!!! He then said that he would return and remove my goods, at which point i reminded him that i knew my rights and he hadnt levied goods and that there is no way he will gain entry into my home to do so.

 

He then said he would give me until 5th Nov to find half of the money (which i cant do) or he would send the account back for a "warrant for commital" i think he called it and said that the magistrates would send me to prison. I replied with the fact that i would only be sent to prison if i refused to pay, and my letter clearly states that i'm not refusing to pay, just asking for fair time to pay it.

 

He then asked who's the toyota corrola was outside (there isnt a toyota corrola outside), when i replied there isnt a toyota outside he asked "well the car outside, who's is it?", there is a car outside and its mine but i told him it was a company car....what to do?

 

At this, he told me i had until 5th Nov to find half the amount owing and then he would send it back to the magistrates. My question is, do i phone the council on Monday morning and tell them about the phone call and see what they say? In the meantime on tuesday morning i am paying £50 off the account using rossendales online service, if i do this, can the bailiff still levy my car or will that be seen as unreasonable as i've already started paying the debt off?

 

Any help or advice anyone?

 

Cheers

 

Letter i've posted to Rossendales & the council today:

 

Dear Sir/Madam,

Re: *********

 

I understand *** Council has appointed you to recover my Council Tax Liability arrears for 2008/9 of £1357.87. This figure has now been revised as we are moving shortly and they will be updating you in the next few days as to the new amount owed, when you receive this figure I would be grateful if you could send me a statement. The Council informed me that what I owe them is approx £710. For your records we are moving to ******************* as of 1st November, please ensure any correspondence is sent to the correct address.

 

Firstly I would like to make you aware that I am fully aware of my rights and you will not gain entry to my home under any circumstances to levy goods and I know the fees allowed under statute and when these fees can be applied.

 

Due to my circumstances I am unable to pay this in one payment. I advocate a payment schedule in the interim of monthly payments at £50 starting on 28th October to be paid via your online service and on the 28th of every month thereafter, this is to be reviewed in January as we envisage my wife will be working full time by then and we should be able to significantly increase our payments to clear this debt. I understand this may seem a long time but this is a realistic offer that is affordable to me and will allow me to pay future bills issued for Council Tax without them falling into arrears. A greater amount would cause me real and actual hardship.

 

It should be noted that I am not at any point refusing to pay this debt but only asking for a fair payment period considering my circumstances. And if you are unable to accept my offer I will place the money aside each month until such a time the council take the account back into their management, when I will make payment of the set aside money to the council.

 

Please also send an itemised statement of account that clearly shows what charges have been added and what for, you are required in statute to supply this information and I look forward to this within 14 days.

 

I am sending the council a copy of this letter and requesting that it be filled with my account for further reference.

 

I hope the above meets your approval and I look forward to your timely reply by letter.

 

Yours faithfully,

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Well then hide it

 

 

Park it away from your house, otherwise he WILL try to levy upon it

 

Make sure windows and doors are locked - if he comes back ignore him and make a nice cup of tea - he'll go away after a while, but be on your guard when opening the door.

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Cheers for the advice....

 

He'll try and levy it even though i've started paying the debt back already then?

 

With regard to being on my guard, why is that? He is not allowed to force his way past me or my wife is he to gain access?

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Knackers :mad:

 

Its a bit tricky parking it away from my house, i might have to sell it to my mum for a £1 until this is sorted out.

 

Ta for your help fella.

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With regard to being on my guard, why is that? He is not allowed to force his way past me or my wife is he to gain access?

 

 

Legally no - but once he's in it could be your word against his.

 

Imagine for a moment you open the door and there was a big 8foot bailiff leaning against it all that time.............. he falls into the house.

 

Did he break the law? Or was it just a happy accident that let him in.

 

Either way he's in - and you're left to argue about it afterwards.

 

Don't take that chance, some bailiffs are very very dishonest, not all mind.

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Well you should really sell it to her for a bit more than that,

after all it's probably a great car;)

 

And you wouldn't want anyone suggesting you'd only sold it to avoid paying tax now would you?:)

 

You might have to change the insurance too.

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Hi again,

 

A bit more help is required, since i posted the letter off to Rossendales we have moved house and hadnt heard anything more from them, this morning the wife collected our mail from the old house and we had 2 letters through the door both from Rossendales.

 

The 1st, dated 10th Nov, from their "Governing Bailiff" thanking us for our correspondance, even though he clearly didnt read it as we aksed for all future correspondance to be sent to our new address which i supplied them, and stating that the matter was with their van bailiff who we must contact immediately.

 

The 2nd letter is a "Final Notice" which was hand delivered to our door yesterday with a big red stamp on it stating "you may be arrested if you ignore this" and that it is a "24 hour statutory notice of intentions to recall and remove goods".....the house is empty for crying out loud and even the basest of village idiots can tell that!!

 

Now, what is my next step? I cant pay anything at all until the 28th Nov but they are demanding, in the letter, full payment of £918.15. Its also worth noting that they have completely ignored my request for a statement of charges and have had more than 14 days to supply this.

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catch-22 you dont waht the bailiff knowing your new address. Ask they can confirm their fees truthfully comply with the law and they will probably come unstuck.

 

The Omnipotent Bailiff Co, Plc

Their Address 1

Their Address 2

Their Address 3

Postcode

 

DATE

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Re: [YOUR NAME + REF]: Opportunity to refund and compensate for fee error

 

I write following visits by your bailiff, however there appears to be an irregularity with your fees and I ask you to provide the following within fourteen (14) days:

 

a) The name of the certificating court and certificate number for the bailiff in charge

 

b) Written confirmation of your fees and charges

 

c) Truthfully confirm in writing they are lawful according to prescribed legislation

 

d) The name and address of the person or body you act for

 

If you cannot complete the above, please unconditionally pay me within fourteen (14) days a refund of all unlawful fees and unconditionally pay me compensation of £4999.00 for failure to comply with the law and I will consider this aspect of the matter closed.

 

If I later find an irregularity with your fees within the statutory time limit of 6 years prescribed under Section 2 of the Limitation Act 1980, I will enter no further correspondence with you and automatically file a Form 4 at court for committing offences under the Fraud Act 2006. This may also involve a criminal investigation by police and your firm's director(s) may receive a criminal record for fraud, assisting an offender and benefiting from proceeds of crime.

 

This document is delivered by Royal Mail and I deem it good service upon you by the ordinary course of post under Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978. It is your responsibility and in your best interests this letter is handed to the relevant person within your organisation.

 

Yours Sincerely

 

YOUR NAME

 

The bailiff says you may be arrested if you ignore his letter. The bailiff may be arrested and questioned under caution at a police station if you send this letter.

 

To whom it may concern

Name of Police Station

Address line 1

Address line 2

Address line 3

Postcode

 

[DATE]

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Re: Report of offences committed under Section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006

 

I was visited on [DATE] by [NAME OF BAILIFF(S)] who I understand might be a bailiff from [NAME OF FIRM].

 

I have enclosed a copy of a document which was left by the bailiff and says I may be arrested if i ignore it. I understand this is misrepresenting his authority and commits a criminal offence. I understand no such power to have me arrested or to make threats of this nature.

 

To assist police to perform a thorough and objective criminal investigation I enclose a copy of the document which details the name of the person making the threat.

 

I am happy to stand as a prosecution witness and provide a statement for the proceedings and you can contact me on [PHONE NUMBER] to arrange this. Meanwhile, please provide me with a crime reference number.

 

Yours Faithfully

 

 

 

[YOUR NAME]

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Cheers for those, should i also send a copy of the 2nd letter to Rossendales?

 

While i'm busy sending these, what should i do about the actual money i owe? Obviously i dont want to give them my new address (even though they already have it) as then they'll come round while i'm at work and will hound the wife which i wont allow!

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I've re-worded the letter a bit.....can you have a quick read through and tell me if its ok?

 

12th November 2008

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Re: ********** : Opportunity to review fee error

 

I write following visits by your bailiff, however there appears to be an irregularity with your fees and I ask you to provide the following within fourteen (14) days:

 

a) The name of the certificating court and certificate number for the bailiff in charge

 

b) Written confirmation of your fees and charges

 

c) Written confirmation of the fees and charges (including dates) levied to my account

 

d) Truthfully confirm in writing they are lawful according to prescribed legislation

 

e) The name and address of the person or body you act for

 

If you cannot complete the above, please review the ‘amount now due’ within fourteen (14) days and furnish me with a revised statement and unconditionally pay me compensation of £4999.00 for failure to comply with the law and I will consider this aspect of the matter closed.

 

If I later find an irregularity with your fees within the statutory time limit of 6 years prescribed under Section 2 of the Limitation Act 1980, I will enter no further correspondence with you and automatically file a Form 4 at court for committing offences under the Fraud Act 2006. This may also involve a criminal investigation by police and your firm's director(s) may receive a criminal record for fraud, assisting an offender and benefiting from proceeds of crime.

 

In my last correspondence dated 23rd October 2008 I made it clear that I know my rights and that any van bailiff that attends my property will not be allowed entry into my home to levy goods, nor will I enter into discussions with a van bailiff regarding the account and I will not, under any circumstances, discuss this matter with your van bailiff via telephone. To that end my proposal in the interim of monthly payments at £50 starting on 28th November to be paid via your online service and on the 28th of every month thereafter still stands, this is to be reviewed in January as we envisage my wife will be working full time by then and we should be able to significantly increase our payments to clear this debt.

 

Again I must stress that I am not at any point refusing to pay this debt but only asking for a fair payment period considering my circumstances

 

This document is delivered by Royal Mail and I deem it good service upon you by the ordinary course of post under Section 7 of the Interpretation Act 1978. It is your responsibility and in your best interests this letter is handed to the relevant person within your organisation.

 

Yours Sincerely

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Ah right, i only put in van bailiff as thats what the letter from Rossendales called them!

 

I'll change it now.

 

cheers

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pay the money direct to the council online, the bailiff will probably embezzle your money and not pass it onto the council. You are only paying fees.

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Yeah i tried Mizi but they wouldnt entertain it at all.

 

Rossendales can kiss my ass basically, i've got a few letters to post tomorrow, just not gonna be nice for next few weeks once they find out our new address :(

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pay the money direct to the council online, the bailiff will probably embezzle your money and not pass it onto the council. You are only paying fees.

 

Seriously? Just refuse to pay Rossendales full stop?

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Yes, just dont allow them access to your goods or car. Eventually he will return the case back to council administration and move on to his next victim. You are not refusing to pay the council. If a bailiff turns up and you want to dead-end him, hand this through a window. Never open the door. If you are threatened then call police and make sure that door remains locked shut until the bailiff is at least 100 metres away from your property.

 

[DATE]

 

BY HAND

 

Dear Bailiffs.

 

Re: Your Reference

 

[NAME OF] Council appears to have instructed you to collect unpaid council tax.

 

This notice directs that you are not being given entry to my home or to levy goods contained within and your entitlement to charge a Walking Possessions fee stands revoked. Please be advised that if your fees are found to contradict Regulation 14(2) or Regulation 45(2) of the Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 and you may be liable for criminal prosecution under the Fraud Act 2006. Without corresponding with you further I will also automatically file a Form 4 at court.

 

Due to my circumstances I am unable to pay the debt in whole and will make payment of £[AMOUNT] each month for [NUMBER OF] monthly instalments direct to the council.

 

These are the only payments I can afford and allows me to pay future council tax liabilities without falling into arrears. Please be advised it is not a "criminal offence" for me to deny a bailiff entry to my property and it is an offence to threaten me with breaking and entering with "locksmiths".

 

Please provide me with a breakdown of your fees, put it through the letterbox and quietly leave the property.

 

Yours Faithfully

 

 

 

YOUR NAME

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I've already found that on one of your replies to someone else, a copy is already printed out ready & waiting :)

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Hi KeefG

Yup Burp is right, pay Council online and do not pay bailiff company,especially this one!! I speak from experience, they can overcharge!! Also you MUST park your car well away from your home, it is a bit of a bind doing this but it will save your car!!!

Sugar x

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Cheers Sugarbabe, the car is safely locked away in the garage (cant see into the garage either) apart from when i'm driving it so there's no issue there :-)

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To quote Public Enemy.........

"Fight the power, fight the powers that be" :D

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