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    • Speaking of the reformatory boys, here they are with all of their supporters, some of whom traveled with them from miles away, all carefully crammed together and photographed to look like there were more than about 80 .. rather like Farages last rally with even fewer people crammed around what looked like an ice cream van or mobile tea bar ... Although a number in the crowd apparently thought they were at a vintage car rally as they appeared to be chanting 'crank-her'. A vintage Bentley must be out of view.   Is this all there is? Its less than the Tory candidate. - shut up and smile while they get a camera angle that looks better
    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
    • Commentary June 2024 WWW.ELECTORALCALCULUS.CO.UK Interesting article about just how bad it could be for the Tories.  Also Tories could be hoping on Reform not having candidates in many seats, as they were not ready.  
    • Even a Piers Morgan is an improvement and a gutless Farage Piers Morgan calls for second Brexit referendum WWW.THELONDONECONOMIC.COM Piers Morgan and Nigel Farage have faced off over Brexit and a second referendum in a heated reunion on BBC Question Time.   “Why don’t we have another referendum about Brexit?” he questioned. “I seem to remember when 2016 came around we were told there was going to be control of our borders and it was going to be economically beneficial to this country. And eight years later we have lost complete control of our borders… and economically it seems to have been a wilful act of self-harm.”   ... Piers missed off : after all somebody said a 48/52 decision would be "unfinished business" by a long way - was that person just bul lying (again)  
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Hi all and thanks for a usefull and informative site!

 

my problem:

 

went shopping to morrisons in ???? in the middle of may.

they have a pay-at-the-machine-and-get-a-refund-at-the-till car park.

we didnt have enough change so didnt pay for the parking.

(when we had no money to pay once before, we had been told by a staff member that it was ok as long as we were in the store shopping!)

came out 20 mins later to find a £40 "fine" (invoice?) on the car.:-x

after researching this site i just filed the ticket away and waited for the reminder/last chance to pay us anything letter.

got my FIRST correspondence in the post today, - a letter from trethowans solicitors demanding £40 by 8 august or cp plus would instruct that court procedings would commence with no further notice! heavy handed or what?

so after my initial shock, my thoughts are to treat it as if it were a debt collection letter, send back a letter asking trethowans to refer the case back to cp plus as it is in dispute and then send the standard template "prove-it" letter to cp plusltd.

 

does this sound sensible, or would anyone recommend a differant course?

 

thanks m.w.n.n.

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edited to remove any details that might give my ID to CP plus!
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word on the street is that Trethowans have set up a little team to chase up PPC debts. A dangerous game for a solicitor to play...

Was the Trethowans letter signed by someone with the first of "Sue".

Word on the street is that she heads up this new team - though I expect letters to be signed by some general bod, I wouldn't expect a real solicitor to sign their name to these [problem] letters and so risk their licence.

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ok, couldnt make sense of the faq on attachments, will try linking.

 

this first link is the letter i got first, about which the above posts are about.

 

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this link is the latest instalment, the next please please give us some money letter.

it shows what thin ice these companys skate on.

 

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my favorite bits:

1st letter: if not recieved in 14 days court procedings will be issued without further notice

2nd letter: necessary to refer back to cp plus for instructions.

 

both letters: no further notification will be sent. (so whats this then??)

 

heading of 2nd letter: cp plusltd v yourself - trying to make it look scary and legal!

 

hope they give you a good laugh

 

regards m.w.n.n.

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They're not even entitled to the £1, since if the OP can prove that he/she had made a purchase in the store, the £1 was refundable. Therefore, no loss to the store whatsoever.

MBNA - Agreed to refund £970 in full without conditions. Cheque received Sat 5th Aug.:D

Lloyds - Settled for an undisclosed sum.:D

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Hi,

 

Found this thread when searching for trethowans as I have received a request to release my details from the DVLA for a supposed parking offence. The comments make interesting reading and I would like to know if the claim from trethowans was dropped or if they continued persuing the claim? Are the comments based on peoples experience/law?

 

Thanks very much!!

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It's not an offence - nobody will be going to prison.

 

From the people posting on here and Pepipoo, Trethowans send two letters and that's that.

 

We know of no case of them taking anyone to court. They are solicitors after all (albeit with this strange sideline activity of sending threatening letters) and know full well they wouldn't get very far in court.

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Hey all, I had a similar circumstance with CP Plus Ltd issuing me with an 'invoice' for £40 based on me parking my car 'outwith a designated bay'.

 

I felt that the whole episode was entrapment as I had previously parked in exactly the same spot (along with others) and paid the required sums for the priviledge of doing so. They did away with the 'pay and display' tickets as parking fees in hospital car parks are no longer valid in Scotland.

 

They are trying to recoup the losses of car park revenue by catching patients out. I was issued with a ticket and was so angry that I decided not to pay and await some form of follow up from them.

 

I have received today 'letter 1' from Trethowans and am not going to follow this one up. Both CP Plus and Trethowans fail to offer you a phone contact to discuss matters, only a payment line!!!

 

Its a total [problem] and whilst I don't wish to go to court, I would love to make an argument out of it! Its not ciriminal, just a difference of opinion and its up to them if they wish to take me all the way!

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Hi all

 

just thought i would post to let anyone who is interested know that i never heard anymore after the 2 scary solicitors letters.

so just ignore seems a good tactic.

 

something interesting i spotted today while in the morrisons where i originally got the unsolicited invoice was that the cp-plus badged pay and display machine cash boxes were being emptied by morrisons staff!

 

indicated a closer tie between the two company's than morrisons would have you think!

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Morrisons usually knock a pound off your bill at the checkout.

 

Which means you need two pound coins before you even start shoping - one for the car park and one for the trolley. Grrr.

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1) First of all check the signs on that car park and if the word PENALTY appears anywhere on the signs then the ticket is invalid. Be quick as they are in the process of changing them to make them legal.

Only Parking Charge Notices can be issued on private land.

 

2) The PCN is issued to the driver of the vehicle so if 1 does not apply then write to them and tell them you were not the driver. You are under NO obligation to tell them who was driving.

 

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