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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Sorry if this is in the wrong place .. please move if needed, thanks.:)

 

Decided that it was about time I did a thorough sorting out of all and sundry old debts (old being over 6 years .. most are about 8 years old).

 

I have applied to the courts place to see what CCJ's I had and am awaiting their response. I am sure I have 1 or 2 that have never been enforced but it was so long ago and in a horrible period of my life I cant remember.

 

I know about the old debts not being enforceable etc but what happens to old CCJ's?

 

They no longer show on my credit report.

 

If someone came knocking on my door asking for the money now what would happen?

 

Thanks very much.

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You are fine here.

 

If you want to know what CCJs you have you should do a search here, it costs £8.00.

 

I woud not worry about old CCJs, deal with them if they ever rear their heads.

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Does the 'statute barred" scenario not come into play if it was a CCJ ?

 

 

I have been told no it doesn't.:(

 

If I am wrong someone will correct me

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But they have to take you back to court to reenforce it after 6 years

 

 

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Thanks for the replies everyone. I have applied and paid the £8.00, just waiting now for the reply.

 

I just thought it best that I know whats what, 'in case' anyone should come a knocking.

 

So after the 6 years, the creditor would have to go back to the court before they could come and demand the money?

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So after the 6 years, the creditor would have to go back to the court before they could come and demand the money?

 

It's looking that way.

Seems a good time to CCA them and if there is no CCA go for having the original CCJ set aside (is that right IDA?)

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If a judgement has not been enforced for 6 years from the date of judgement, Then under section 24 of The Statute Of Limitations Act 1980 the creditor would have quite a hard time trying for further enforcement action

 

Time limit for actions to enforce judgments

(1) An action shall not be brought upon any judgment after the

expiration of six years from the date on which the judgment

became enforceable.

(2) No arrears of interest in respect of any judgment debt shall be

recovered after the expiration of six years from the date on which

the interest became due.

 

 

Hope that helps

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Ah, so it doesnt become statute barred as such,,, just very difficult to enforce?

 

 

'in case' anyone should come a knocking

 

If anyone comes a knocking, just tell them they're tresspassing and to sod off and write to you.

There's a "Doorstep Visits" letter somewhere around here which will explain.

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Ah, so it doesnt become statute barred as such,,, just very difficult to enforce?

 

 

By the very fact that they cant enforce the judgement, equates to statute barred.

 

After 6 years All details of the judgement are removed from the registry trust database.

 

The creditor would then have to instigate the process from the start, and how likely do you think that they would still have all of the original documentation to carry this out ???

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Found It

 

DOORSTEP COLLECTION VISIT – PLEASE READ CAREFULLY

 

YOUR REF 123456

 

 

Dear Cretins

I refer to your recent correspondence

 

I note it is your intention to arrange a “doorstep call”, please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you.

 

There is only an implied license under Common Law for people to be able to visit me on my property without express permission; the postman and people asking for directions etc (Armstrong v. Sheppard and Short Ltd [1959] 2 Q.B. per Lord Evershed M.R.). Therefore take note that I revoke license under Common Law for you, or your representatives to visit me at my property and if you do so, then you will be liable to damages for a tort of trespass and civil action will be taken

For the avoidance of ANY doubt. Please be advised that this alleged debt is the subject of a serious dispute. The matter is presently being investigated by the Financial Ombudsman Service so I will not be entering into ANY further correspondence with you until their investigation is completed

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Above is all correct. They have to reapply the judgement but obviously what you would do is the CCA and or SAR as they would need to provide the original agreement and the original details fo the CCJ which you would try and contest i.e default notice as such not properly executed.

 

 

There would be much more you could try and get them with.

 

( I has one that due to drop off my CF in Dec 08, would rather wait for it to disappear then try to contest it, keeps everything crossed)

 

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how likely do you think that they would still have all of the original documentation to carry this out

 

I'm hoping not very likely at all. The dca's on my case (who i've CCA'd) need to go back to the late 1990's :D

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This is great help. Thanks everyone.

 

Most of my debts (apart from one) are now well over 6 years old. They date back to a rather rotten time in my life I chose to simply 'forget' as much as possible.

 

I was just wondering whether it was worth me trying to sort anything out with these old debts or whether I should just continue to leave them alone? I did pay a few off about 3 years ago but I still get the occassional 'burst' of letters and calls from the DCA's.

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Write back,,,tell them Its statue barred and to go forth and multiply :D

 

They may well try and take you to court hoping you will not defend the case. If they know you know its statute barred (or whatever) they'd be complete idiots (yes i know they are anyway) to try and take you to court ;)

 

Thats the way i see it :)

 

edit,,,here ya go >

 

Letter M

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Thanks stikky,

 

have sent one letter to MacKenzie Hall that is a kind of 'get stuffed, its barred' and one to FIRE that is basically a 'dont you dare come knocking on my door' letter.

 

Waiting to see what they have to say .... if anything at all. :)

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