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    • I've just noted that in Section 4 of the ebay powered by packlink T&Cs, there is a link to a list of webpages for each Transport Agency including Evri. When clicking on this, it redirects to Evri's send terms and conditions, which says: Our contract with you When you send a parcel with us, you enter into a contract with Evri. These terms and conditions set out your responsibilities and our service commitments to you, along with some legal bits about our liability and how you will be compensated in the unlikely event that things go wrong. Link to Evri send T&Cs: https://www.evri.com/terms-and-conditions the extract highlighted in bold above is pertinent as in Evri's own T&Cs, by sending a parcel with Evri, the sender and Evri have entered into a contract. Screenshot of the above extract attached. Screenshot_20240524_030834_Chrome.pdf
    • Hi, Evri provided a copy of the Ebay powered by Packlink T&Cs in their WS/Court bundle - this is already uploaded in post #246 yesterday. I copy and pasted the actual wording of clauses 3b and 3c from there into my post #246. see points 3b and 3c in Section 3 (General) through this link to the T&Cs:  https://support-ebay.packlink.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360004768420-eBay-Delivery-Powered-by-Packlink-Terms-and-Conditions#h_01HFXQJBTB441YZGPB7CQP9KFV Screenshot attached below. I cant answer why its not been picked up before. In my opinion, this is called Ebay powered by packlink T&Cs so it could be intepreted to mean Ebay and Packlink's T&Cs rather than Packlink and the delivery couriers T&Cs. In regards to seeing Evri/Packlink's entire contract in original form, in my WS, Evri has been invited to provide this. They have not provided the contract in their WS/court bundle. Screenshot_20240524_024259_Chrome.pdf
    • yes, and he has since emailed them to say he wants it done with a hearing
    • Do I take it that you had already informed the court that you wanted the case settled on the papers rather than by way of a hearing before you came here and told us?
    • This is a very important find. I don't understand why nobody has picked up on this before. It's a shame that you have only just found it but please will you get a screenshot and also give us a link to the page which contains this and if possible a link to the actual passage. This makes a huge difference because if this is right that the third party actually has a direct contract with the courier company then they can rely on their consumer rights rather than commercial rights. Also as you seem to have pointed out, even if  their commercial contract does exclude third-party rights, the clause that you have found on the eBay site directly contradicts that And this should be pointed out to the judge.  Please will you screenshot the passage. Give us a link and then stand by for a response later on today. We will have to send this additional piece of information to the court and don't worry we will manage to do it before the 4:00 pm deadline. And in any event, you will certainly want to see the entire contract in original form and receive clarification as to when their third-party exclusion close was included in it.
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Hi there,

Well its been 14 days and not heard athing from anyone, is this normal do you think? or do they drag it out the full 28 days?:confused:

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Have they acknowledged the claim? You might be better giving your court a ring in the morning.

Barty :)

I WON!!!! :D :D :D

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloydstsb-successes/1774-barty-lloyds-tsb.html

 

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Hi

I should of kept my mouth shut, :o

The postman has just brought me a letter from the courts!!

It is the notice that a Defence has been filed,

It has come with the AC and i have to get it back by the 11/12/06 and send a fee of £100.00,

there is also a letter of defence sent with it aswell, is this standard?

IF I DO WIN? Will i be able to claim the £100.00 back aswell?

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WHEN you win you will get your £100 back.

Have a look at this for help in filling out your AQ:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/11644-allocation-questionnaires-guide-completion.html

 

Barty :)

I WON!!!! :D :D :D

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloydstsb-successes/1774-barty-lloyds-tsb.html

 

IF I HAVE BEEN HELPFUL PLEASE CLICK THE SCALES:)

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Thanks for that Barty,

The bit i was unsure of is that section G has a lot of text but only the bit about the case lasting one hour is highlighted in red, do i only insert this text or do i add more?? thanks.

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You can request Standard Disclosure:

 

I am respectfully requesting that my claim be allocated to the small claims track. This issue is not a complicated one; it is an issue of fact and not of law. The issue is only whether the money levied by the Defendant in respect of its customer’s contractual breaches exceed their actual costs incurred. I am happy to pay their actual costs and I am surprised the Defendant did not counterclaim for these, because I would have paid them without argument.

 

However, the continuing problem is, (in common with the 100s of other cases currently being brought by other bank customers), that the banks refuse to reveal the details of their penalty-charging regime. As the banks have a fiduciary duty towards their customers, they have a duty to deal straightforwardly and in utmost good faith.

 

Accordingly, I would respectfully ask that the court in this case, not withstanding allocation to the small claims track, order standard disclosure. I understand that it is in the courts discretion to do so. This would bring a rapid end, not only to this litigation, but would also likely bring an end to much of the litigation in progress against other high-street banks.

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Hi There.

I have been working away so havnt been able to keep you updated on my battle with lloyds,

well here goes, Not much has happenned apart from i took my AQ to the courts today and paid my £100 but when i got home i found a letter from S,C&M with a copy of there AQ that they have sent to the courts, In the bit at the back 'other information' they have put ' The Defendent intends to rely upon its defence and the terms and conditions that govern the account'

Is this a normal response from their solicitors?:?

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Hi,

I was just wondering if anyone could answer the above question as i have looked through the FAQs and cant see anything, i am just a bit concerned that there solicitors have sent an AQ to the courts??

any views would help, thanks.

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Hi

Did you claim for all your o/d interest or just the part that you are entitled to?

I'm sure if you've claimed for it all, Lloyds will just adjust the amount accordingly when they settle, so I don't think this will be a problem.

Barty:)

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Hi Barty,

Yes i claimed for the O/D interesrt aswell as the bank charges, i just went through every statement i had and claimed for everything that i could see that was against me, I think i got mixed up in the early stages as to what interest to claim, until i realised when i seen the spreadsheet that worked it out on this site! But i had already put the claim in by then so i just left it at that?

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At last i have had a reply from the courts,

The date is set for 19th march 07,

I hope it doesnt go as far as that and lloyds settle before?

is there anything else i need to do in the time between now and then?

chris..

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Hi Chris,

 

In the letter from the court informing you of your court date were you given instructions to provide copies of all documents you intend to use as evidence to the court and the bank 14 days before the hearing? This is the court bundle an if you have been instructed to prepare one then it's a good idea to start gathering information. Check out bookworm's Basic Court Bundle post to get an idea of what you need to include. If there are no directions on the letter to do this it might be an idea to get in touch with the court - just to double check that you don't need to do one.

 

Good luck. Lucid :)

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