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    • in order for us to help you we require the following information:- Which Court have you received the claim from ? Canterbury If possible please scan redact and upload a full page copy of page 1 of the claim form. ( Name of the Claimant ? Moneybarn No 1   How many defendant's  joint or self ? One Date of issue – top right hand corner of the claim form – this in order to establish the time line you need to adhere to. 29/05/24 Acknowledged by 14/06/24  Defence by 29/06/24  Particulars of Claim PARTICULARS OF CLAIM   1.  By a Conditional Sale Agreement in writing made on 25th August 2022. Between the Claimant and Defendant, the Claimant let to the Defendant on Conditional Sale. 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Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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Hi All,

 

I went to the US on holiday in march and left my bike outside my flat on the road for the two weeks I was away. During this time on the 12th and 13th of march I received a PCN for each day. Before I went away there were no signs to say that the bays would be suspended, in fact there were signs from a suspension from the previous week.

 

I returned home on the 14th and found the two tickets and the new suspension sign. I decided then (after having other PCNs overturned) that I would appeal.

 

On the ticket it stated to make the appeal i would have to wait for the NTO which has arrived today for the second ticket. Looking on the back of the NTO it only has 7 options to choose from. I am not sure which to choose as none seem to apply.

 

Do you think that if I send proof that I was not in the country at the time They may let me off with at least one of the tickets, or am I dreaming?

 

Thanks for reading the long post.

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I do not know how long in advance temporary restrictions/suspension of parking bays have to be signed for in order to become effective. Someone like Green and Mean will know I am sure.

 

Here's what my approach would be:

 

It is not uncommon for people to go away for two consecutive weeks and I would argue that any reasonable council should be aware of this and anticipate it in planning their temporary restrictions/suspension of bays. I would therefore suggest that the failure to give at least two weeks notice is a failure of their overriding obligation to treat the motorist fairly.

 

Therefore I would appeal on the basis that "the contravention did not occur" because of inadequate signage of the restriction/suspension and further that "the penalty exceeds the applicable amount" because the penalty for an unlawful restriction is nil.

 

Irrespective of the legal position, this is a situation that any reasonable council should have addressed in its discretion policy. So you should make a separate request (under FOI) for a copy of that.

 

Be prepared to take this to the adjudicator though. It won't cost you any more to do so.

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Hi All,

 

I went to the US on holiday in march and left my bike outside my flat on the road for the two weeks I was away. During this time on the 12th and 13th of march I received a PCN for each day. Before I went away there were no signs to say that the bays would be suspended, in fact there were signs from a suspension from the previous week.

 

I returned home on the 14th and found the two tickets and the new suspension sign. I decided then (after having other PCNs overturned) that I would appeal.

 

On the ticket it stated to make the appeal i would have to wait for the NTO which has arrived today for the second ticket. Looking on the back of the NTO it only has 7 options to choose from. I am not sure which to choose as none seem to apply.

 

Do you think that if I send proof that I was not in the country at the time They may let me off with at least one of the tickets, or am I dreaming?

 

Thanks for reading the long post.

:rolleyes:

can you scan the tickets and the nto in ( leave out personal details)

 

firstly you have an arguement that you were not in contravention when you parked up.

 

I would also write and ask for the temp traffic order for that street, and details of when the sign went up.

Hopefully they may use their discretion and cancell these tickets when you prove you were on holiday but for now post up the paperwork.

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I found a pdf that i will link to after 5 posts i cant seem to get the url in at the moment.

 

On page 8 it says they may consider if you are broken down and cannot move it. There is no way i could move it from the states would this be worth mentioning in my representation?

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storage. natethegeek. com/nto.jpg

 

storage. natethegeek. com/PCNnategs.jpg

 

You will need to copy paste and remove spaces sorry...Hopefully you can see them ok

Tickets seem ok,(ya boo sucks)

however if you wait there are experts who will verify.

 

For now, in my opinion you have an appeal in that you were not parked in contravention when you left your vehicle.

 

To assist with your appeal, You should ask for the temp tro, details of when this sign actually went up, and details of the discretion policy document they should refer to when situations such as this arrise.

 

Bernie_the_Bolt's advice is sound also.

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I do not know how long in advance temporary restrictions/suspension of parking bays have to be signed for in order to become effective. Someone like Green and Mean will know I am sure.

 

There is no legal requirement to give advance warning since suspensions also cover emergencies such as gas main repairs which could be required instantly.

The TRO and permit scheme paperwork should explain this fact and that it is the owners responsibility to check daily as the bays can be suspended at any time.

A same day or next emergency suspension could be considered grounds for cancelletaion of a PCN but if 2-3 days notice was given the Council are legally in the right to enforce the PCN and this has been reflected in adjudication on the matter.

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Tickets seem ok,(ya boo sucks)

For now, in my opinion you have an appeal in that you were not parked in contravention when you left your vehicle.

 

Totally irrelevant from a legal point of view, if you park on a permit bay that starts at 8.00am at 6.00am you are not in contravention at the time you parked but still liable if the car is still parked at 8.05am.

If going away for 2 weeks it would have been advisable to contact the Council to find out if there were any planned suspensions.

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Totally irrelevant from a legal point of view, if you park on a permit bay that starts at 8.00am at 6.00am you are not in contravention at the time you parked but still liable if the car is still parked at 8.05am.

If going away for 2 weeks it would have been advisable to contact the Council to find out if there were any planned suspensions.

fair point, but dont the LA have a duty to warn of an impending bay suspension like errecting apropriate signs.

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Yes but expecting signs 11 days in advance is not in my opinion a reasonable expectation.

 

ok I see what you are saying but doesnt this work both ways,

there must be a definitive answer to this ie there must be clear set out rules which must be followed and me wonders weather they have indeed been carried out.

 

would this not be the angle of approach do you think?

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Yes but expecting signs 11 days in advance is not in my opinion a reasonable expectation.

 

Therein lies the beauty of our system. I think it is a reasonable expectation. I think that it is perfectly reasonable for LAs to be aware that people go away for two weeks holiday and that they should sign accordingly (emergencies excepted). All you need is an adjudicator who will agree with this!

 

I don't think it is reasonable for people to be expected to contact their LA and ask about planned suspensions. Not least because the chances of getting any answer let alone a straight one are slim.

 

Again, I think that this is a matter that should probably be in the discretion policy, if not, then it will strengthen the argument.

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Therein lies the beauty of our system. I think it is a reasonable expectation. I think that it is perfectly reasonable for LAs to be aware that people go away for two weeks holiday and that they should sign accordingly (emergencies excepted). All you need is an adjudicator who will agree with this!

 

I don't think it is reasonable for people to be expected to contact their LA and ask about planned suspensions. Not least because the chances of getting any answer let alone a straight one are slim.

 

Again, I think that this is a matter that should probably be in the discretion policy, if not, then it will strengthen the argument.

 

Why not make 3 weeks holiday reasonable....or maybe a month? Where do you draw the line, whatever you do they will be someone who says its unreasonable!

If I want to put a skip outside my house or take in a large delivery should I really need to give my neigbours two weeks notice to get the bay suspended?

If the Council cannot foresee if there are any planned suspensions how can they be expected to errect signs?

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ok I see what you are saying but doesnt this work both ways,

there must be a definitive answer to this ie there must be clear set out rules which must be followed and me wonders weather they have indeed been carried out.

 

would this not be the angle of approach do you think?

 

For planned suspensions its generally 2-3 days in advance but as I pointed out the Council can suspend instantly if required for road works etc.

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Yes but expecting signs 11 days in advance is not in my opinion a reasonable expectation.

 

It might not for you, but I'm sure the majority of us what regard it as a a reasonable expectation for a local authority to give sufficient notice of a suspension.

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Why not make 3 weeks holiday reasonable....or maybe a month? Where do you draw the line, whatever you do they will be someone who says its unreasonable!

 

And from the other perspective the local authority should use its discretion in situations like this and cancel the PCN's. But I suspect with your anti motorist bias you wouldn't see that:rolleyes:

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Why not make 3 weeks holiday reasonable....or maybe a month? Where do you draw the line, whatever you do they will be someone who says its unreasonable!

 

Reasonableness is an elastic concept.

Sadly the thing that has to be shown is not that you were reasonable but that the LA have been either unlawful or grossly unreasonable.

I still think that the best chance here is that the LA may have unfairly and unlawfully not considered exercising discretion here.

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