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    • Couldn't agree more, really wanted a true ruling on this just for the knowledge but pretty sure the Judge made some decisions today that he didn't need to?.. maybe they all go this way on the day? We hear back so few post court dates I'm not sure. Each Judge has some level of discretion. Their sol was another Junior not even working at their Firm, so couldn't speak directly for them! that was fortunate I think because if she would have rejected in court better, she might have  been able to force ruling, we are at that point!, everybody there!!, Judge basically said openly that he can see everything for Judgement!!!  but she just said "I can speak to the claimant and find out!" - creating the opportunity for me to accept. I really think the Judge did me a favor today by saying it without saying it. Knowing the rep for the sol couldn't really speak to the idea in the moment. Been to court twice in a fortnight, on both occasions heard 4 times with others and both of my claims, the clerk mention to one or both parties "Letting the Judge know if you want to have a quick chat with each other"! So, it appears there's an expectation of the court that there is one last attempt at settling before going through the door. So, not a Sol tactic, just Court process!. Judge was not happy we hadn't tried to settle outside! We couldn't because she went to the loo and the Judge called us in 10 minutes early! - another reason to stand down to allow that conv to happen. Stars aligned there for me I think. But yeh, if the sol themselves, or someone who can make decisions on the case were in court, I would have received a Judgement against today I think.
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    • "We suffer more in imagination than in reality" - really pleased this all happened. Settled by TO, full amount save as to costs and without interest claimed. I consider this a success but feel free to move this thread to wherever it's appropriate. I say it's a success because when I started this journey I was in a position of looking to pay interest on all these accounts, allowing them to default stopped that and so even though I am paying the full amount, it is without a doubt reduced from my position 3 years ago and I feel knowing this outcome was possible, happy to gotten this far, defended myself in person and left with a loan with terms I could only dream of, written into law as interest free! I will make better decisions in the future on other accounts, knowing key stages of this whole process. We had the opportunity to speak in court, Judge (feels like just before a ruling) was clear in such that he 'had all the relevant paperwork to make a judgement'. He wasn't pleased I hadn't settled before Court.. but then stated due to WS and verbal arguments on why I haven't settled, from my WS conclusion as follows: "11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. "  He offered to stand down the case to give us chance to settle and that that was for my benefit specifically - their Sols didn't want to, he asked me whether I wanted to proceed to judgement or be given the opportunity to settle. Naturally, I snapped his hand off and we entered negotiations (took about 45 minutes). He added I should get legal advice for matters such as these. They were unwilling to agree to a TO unless it was full amount claimed, plus costs, plus interest. Which I rejected as I felt that was unfair in light of the circumstances and the judges comments, I then countered with full amount minus all costs and interest over 84 months. They accepted that. I believe the Judge wouldn't have been happy if they didn't accept a payment plan for the full amount, at this late stage. The judge was very impressed by my articulate defence and WS (Thanks CAG!) he respected that I was wiling to engage with the process but commented only I  can know whether this debt is mine, but stated that Civil cases were based on balance of probabilities, not without shadow of a doubt, and all he needs to determine is whether the account existed. Verbal arguments aside; he has enough evidence in paperwork for that. He clarified that a copy of a DN and NOA is sufficient proof based on balance of probabilities that they were served. I still disagree, but hey, I'm just me.. It's definitely not strict proof as basically I have to prove the negative (I didn't receive them/they were not served), which is impossible. Overall, a great result I think! BT  
    • Seeking further advice now. The 33 days in which the defendant has to submit a defence expires at 16:00 tomorrow. The defendant has submitted an acknowledgement of service but looking to get the claim awarded by default in failure to submit the defence. This is MoneyClaim Online and can see an option to request a default judgement but believe that is for failure to acknowledge the claim within 14 days??  So being MoneyClaim Online, how do I request the claim be awarded in my favour?
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Hello

 

I work for a recruitment company as an Administrator and get paid weekly, every Friday.

 

Due to the Easter holidays, I have only found out today that I will be receiving my pay for this week, not on Friday but next Tuesday, after the bank holiday.

 

The agency terms and conditions do not state anything about this matter, but do I have a legal right at all to be paid on Thursday?

Any advise or links to a source will be most appreciated.

 

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Usually an employer would pay earlier rather than later when something like this arises, although I'm not sure if this is a legal obligation.

 

I'm sure someone will be able to help you with the legal aspect in the morning.

 

Only we stressed insomniacs around at the mo :(

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this is the industry standard, you have no grounds to complain, as it is the banks that have delayed you pay, not your company

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I have to respectfully disagree. If your contract says that payment will be made each Friday, or on the xxth of every month and there is no clause stating that in the event of either the Friday or the xxth falling on a Bank Holiday you will be paid late then the employer is in breach of contract. The fact that you are paid at specific intervals is enshrined in the Employment Rights Act, and the employer must have a contractual clause or agreement of the employee to vary the terms of payment. To not do so amounts to an unlawful deduction, even for a delay of three days.

 

It is standard practice for payment to be made early in such circumstances, and your employer would be liable for any out of pocket costs incurred as a consequence. Bank Holidays are foreseeable events and the employer should take steps to process payments earlier or consult with employees as to whether delaying payment is acceptable to them.

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Hi, I have to agree with Sidewinder - frankly I was surprised to read you won't get your pay until Tuesday. The agency I use for temporary staff always ask for the timesheets early at Easter and Christmas to enable them to pay the workers early. Similarly our payroll is run early when the monthy staff pay is due on a Saturday, Sunday or Bank holiday - it's not difficult to do and as Sidewinder said if your contract says you are to be paid on a Friday then your employer needs to take Good Friday, or any other holiday which falls on a Friday, into consideration and send the bacs payment in time.

 

You should take this up with your employer as a complaint and let us know what happens.

 

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I would respectfully dis agree with the above, but to find out for sure, you would have to stand infront of a judge, and argue that the banks do not shut on bank holidays, or they are with holding your money otherwise unlawfully, and seeing as the agency would say its the banks fault, and the bank would say its a banks holiday, who would be to blame???

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who would be to blame???

 

Ultimately the employer. It is normally a contractual matter that employees are paid on a particular day. It is not difficult to make an addendum in the contract to specify "...except during a week where there is a Bank or Public holiday when wages will normally be paid one day later than usual". Not many do though.

 

Of course it would be very unlikely to end up at a Tribunal for the matter of a delay of just a day or two, but what if the employee's rent, mortgage, loan repayment or other regular transfer is not delayed due to there being a Bank Holiday?

 

you would have to stand infront of a judge, and argue that the banks do not shut on bank holidays, or they are with holding your money otherwise unlawfully, and seeing as the agency would say its the banks fault, and the bank would say its a banks holiday

 

Not at all. The argument would be that the employer could have processed their BACS transmission a day earlier in order to ensure that staff are paid on time. A BH is a foreseeable event and many employers would submit a BACS payroll earlier than usual to ensure payment, with any adjustments (overtime/short-time) being corrected in the following week.

 

The OP asked about legal right - how far this would be put to the test is up to her.

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