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    • statute barring in Scotland is 5yrs from last payment/use date or date of default Notice + 14 days, whichever is the later. dont confuse that with the 6yrs debts show on credit files (DN's 6th bday regardless to payment or not). they'd never get a claim raised by august in 99% of cases . as long all these debts were taken out whilst resident in scotland and you have not moved since taking them out but failed to inform the original creditor before the debt sale....... then stay radio silent until sb date is reached. then if you wish send our scottish sb letter. just remember unlike E&W in scotland debts are extinguished, dead , gone , parrot. once SB'd dx  
    • Hi all, Love this site and it's no nonsense advice, have dipped in and out of the consumer forums over the years, mostly to assure myself that what I was doing was the right thing when dealing with various businesses (almost 100% success rate, thanks in part to reading and more reading here.). Anyway, the time is almost approaching where I might need to ask for some specific help and I have a couple of queries that I can't see definitively answered. Due to financial mismanagement and severe anxiety issues I stopped paying all unsecured debt in December 2018 (one slipped to the first week in Jan 2019 when the last payment was made having rechecked my bank statement from that period - all my unsecured debt direct debits were cancelled in early Jan 2019). This has left half a dozen debts;  a couple of credit cards, a bank loan, Shop Direct and some Hitachi Finance stuff having been sold on and passing the rounds through the usual suspects, Lowells, Link, PRA Group, others related to them, and then back to them again. I have somehow successfully managed to maintain radio silence and avoided anything more worrying than their begging letters.  I have blocked their phone calls and texts, bumped all emails to the spambox and had a chuckle at their desperate letters.  I've never had anybody at the door.  I have been at the same address since before I defaulted and all correspondence comes to my current home address.  I have NEVER contacted them or admitted any debt. In anticipation of them perhaps ramping up action at the last minute I've had a look at my credit report on Credit Karma (rec'd from this very place) and I see that the default dates on these range from May 2019 to November 2019. Also in preperation I've been reading, reading and reading lots here as advised. Obviously being in Scotland there are a lot fewer posts relating to these matters and it's always quite annoying when OP's do not follow up with any outcome on their cases - how rude! This has also left me a bit confused of when I am able to finally breathe easy (although cancelling all the direct debits in Jan 2019 was the biggest sigh of relief as I knew it was all going to be unmanageable and, well, default one, default all.). I've been reading that defaults should be filed 3-6 months after the missed payment but one of my larger debts was defaulted on 27th August 2019 when the last payment I made was 10th December 2018, meaning the first missed payment was 10th Jan 2019.   My query for now is - when should I infer that these debts are prescribed?  From when the payment was missed, or taking the default date plus 5 years from the credit report? The three I have with the May date are moot anyway as either way they are gone  - some letters from Lowell offering me 90% off to settle is what got me thinking these must have been near SB status, however I have one big 10k+ with a July date and another 10k+ at the end of August I am feeling a bit anxious again, even though I know there is nothing to worry about with the begging letters.  Reading the various forums I am not sure why the OC's didn't take action against me when I read time and again the surprise that other posters haven't already been taken to court for lesser amounts - I'm also surprised I've avoided any action this long as there are plenty in this forum and sub forum who are whisked off to the court by the beggers minions after only a year or so after defaulting.  There are no CCJ/decrees listed on my credit report and I have not received any such judgements against me.  I still just regularly receive the begging emails to the spambox, the blocked phone calls and the letters from the they. I'm also reading that there is no need in Scotland to send an LBC so what should I be looking out for to know that the time has come to engage with CCA requests etc? I'm afraid in a fit I threw a lot of the paperwork out but I have a box of stuff I'm going to go through which may have the original letters from the OC's. Thanks in advance for any advice.  
    • I'm at work now but promise to look in later. Can you confirm how you paid the first invoice?  It wasn't your fault if the signal was so poor and there was no alternative way to pay.  There must be a chance of reversing the charge with your bank.  There are no guarantees but Kev  https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09766749/officers  has never had the backbone to do court so far.  Not even in one case,  
    • OK  so you may not have outed yourself if you said "we". No matter either way you paid. Snotty letter I am surprised that they were so quick off the mark threatening Court. They usually take months to go that far. No doubt that as you paid the first one they decided to strike quickly and scare you into paying. Dear Chuckleheads  aka Alliance,  I am replying to your LOCs You may have caught me the first time but that is  the end. What a nasty organisation you are. You do realise that you now have now no reason to continue to pursue me after reading my appeal since you know that my car was not cloned. Any further pursuit will end up with a complaint to the ICO that you are breaching my GDPR.  Please confirm that you have removed my details from your records. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I haven't gone for a snotty letter this time as they know that you paid for your car in another car park. So using a shot across their bows .  If it doesn't deter them and they send in the debt collectors or the Court you will then be able to get more money back from them for  breachi.ng your data protection than they will get should they win in Court-and they have no chance of that as you have paid. So go in with guns blazing and they might see sense.  Although never underestimate how stupid they are. Or greedy.
    • Thank you. Such a good point. They did issue all 3 before I paid though. I only paid one because I didn’t have proof of parking that time, only for two others.    Unfortunately no proof of my appeal as it was just submitted through a form on their website and no copy was sent to me. I only have the reply. I believe I just put something like “we made the honest mistake of using the incorrect parking area on the app” and that’s it. Thanks again for your help. 
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Amigos,

 

A bit of advice please.

 

I owe Edinburgh City Council £1600 in council tax from last year (long story - I'm not too worried as I will be clearing it in about 6 weeks time).

 

I'm having to deal with the delightful Scott & Co and had agreed and adhered to a repayment schedule.

 

However, on Saturday, I received throught he poet, an Earning's Arrestment Schedule under the Debtors (Scotland) act 1987 which informs me that a Summary Warrant has been granted at Edinburgh Sheriff Court granting Scott & Company the right to recover the debt from my employer.....Scottish Widows....

 

the only problem is that neither myself or my wife currently or have ever worked for Scottish Widows.

 

Now I see 2 issues here.

 

1stly, there is a clear data protection issue with confidential information being dislcosed to a 3rd party.

 

2ndly - the information they hold on me is clearly wrong and they have used this wrong informaton to pursue me in the courts (despite having a previous arrangement with them) and this Summary Warrant is now part of the public record.

 

Any ideas how to pursue a complaint?

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well well well

 

I spoke to Scott & Company (I recorded the call) and was told by a supervisor that the Earning's Attachment was nothing to do with them and was the council's doing - they were very keen to change the subject and that it was 'no big deal' as a professional company like Scottish Widows would realise that there had been a mistake and no harm would be done.

 

So I called Edinburgh Sheriff Court who said "not again", and wer clearly fed up with the number of times this seems to happen.

 

I then called Edinburgh City Council who were interested to hear that their representitives - ie Scott & Co had told me an untruth in that they ( the council) were reponsible for issuing Scott & Co the wrong information and also reponsible for issuing the earnings attachment to Scottish Widows. They have instructed me to complain in writing directly to the Council and to cc it to the information commissioner - they see two issues here

 

1/ an organisation acting on their authority is behaving in an unprofessional way in respect to one of their 'customers' and clearly has internal data protection/integrity issues

 

2/ Scott & Company have told a blatant untruth about their own client's position.

 

this should result in a council audit of Scott & Co.

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Hi

 

I know this an old post I hope you resolved it.

 

Scott & Co are so (EDIT) is not real. Edinburgh city council’s stance on them is they get results so they are not dropped as the councils chief monkeys. (EDIT)

The council should see sense realise they are dealing with (EDIT) and find another DCA to do there dirty work for them. Incidentally, is it me or do I get impression that staff moral is extremely low, all of the telephone advisors sound like they are one step away from the Samaritans.

 

Anyway, Scott & Co like most DCA’s use a combination of in-house as well as external companies to trace debtors and obtain information about your employers and your financial situation.

 

(EDIT) Does anyone remember when the then Halifax (HBOS) got reprimanded for using a company to recover there mortgage debt? The company in question was obtaining personal info by pretending to be everything from police officers to tax officials.

 

So if Scott and co. ever send you a letter containing personal info the question you need to ask yourself is how was this information obtained (EDIT). Data protection laws state they have no right even if you are in debt.

 

This of course will change when the government threatens to licence the enquiry agent business, but as they’ve been saying this since the early 60’s one can only assume the worst.

 

(EDIT)

Midland Bank (HSBC) = £5000

ABN AMRO = £7500

Rabobank = £5500

NatWest = £10,000

Alliance & Leicester = £15,000

Barclaycard = £12,500

Halifax (HBOS) = £25,000

Smile Bank = £5000 Written off

M&S Money = £2500 Written off

Abbey Loan Reduced by 50%

Re-Opened Bank Accounts = Natwest, HBOS

Two new Credit Cards

Default notices removed: Too numerous to mention

Default notices undeclared: 6

 

The moneycheatingexpert 8)

 

Some great threads to check out:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/18141-cabot-financial-telephone-harassment.html

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As I’m regularly censored by moderators I’ve decided to be good:p and in this instance only print non libellous and factual evidence which can be obtained by anyone from the ICO.

The ICO has evidence implicating local authorities in an unlawful trade.

PLEASE READ ON......

In a case that surfaced in March 2005, a job centre in Hull received a telephone call purportedly from a civil servant working in the section within the Department for Work and Pensions responsible for recovering overpayments. The man’s apparent familiarity with office jargon and procedures allayed any suspicions that he might not be genuine. During the course of the conversation – which lasted

over 90 minutes – he was able to gain personal information (mainly address and employment details) relating to 140 individuals living in no particular geographic area. A second call two days later was reported as bogus, and the matter referred to the ICO.

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On investigation, the trail led to one of the individuals whose details had been obtained. She revealed that she had recently moved house without informing the council, and leaving her council tax bill unpaid. When contacted by the ICO, the council in question said that although most tracing was done ‘in-house’, the more difficult cases were referred to DCA’s.

AUTHORS PERSONAL COMMENT: The use of DCA’s by local councils is prolific!!!! As council records do not generally include their residents’ national insurance numbers, so absconding council debtors are harder to trace.

5.16 Tracing debtors is an activity which relies on good, up-to-date personal information. To recover a debt from borrowers who have defaulted on their loans or financial commitments, creditors need a current address. While there are a number of legitimate means of tracing absconded debtors, these can often be time-consuming and expensive.

Under current legislation, lenders and creditors have the responsibility to make sure that they do not knowingly or recklessly procure the disclosure of information by unlawful means. The same caveat applies to local authorities that seek to collect council tax arrears by outsourcing their tracing of debtors.

Midland Bank (HSBC) = £5000

ABN AMRO = £7500

Rabobank = £5500

NatWest = £10,000

Alliance & Leicester = £15,000

Barclaycard = £12,500

Halifax (HBOS) = £25,000

Smile Bank = £5000 Written off

M&S Money = £2500 Written off

Abbey Loan Reduced by 50%

Re-Opened Bank Accounts = Natwest, HBOS

Two new Credit Cards

Default notices removed: Too numerous to mention

Default notices undeclared: 6

 

The moneycheatingexpert 8)

 

Some great threads to check out:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/other-institutions/18141-cabot-financial-telephone-harassment.html

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Hi scooters

 

Am wondering how you got on with all this a I am going to complain about the lovely scott & co. Thing is, I can't find them listed anywhere on the infomation commisioners register. i take they ARE registered lol

Dipply75

 

I am in no way a legal advisor and only speak from my own experiences and the helpful advice of those in the same boat! :p

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i take they ARE registered lol

 

I hope so, I've been paying them for about two years and am still doing so :eek::)

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