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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Is this ok to send to a recent letter from BLS ? Is the wording ok etc ?

 

BLS Collections

PO Box 467E

Oxford

OX4 1WA

 

Ref: xxxxxxxxxxx

Acc No : xxxxxxx

 

xx/xx/2008

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

In reply to your letter dated xx/xx/08 in which you imply that you may advise LloydsTSB to consider a personal visit. Please be advised that under OFT rules, you can only visit me at my home if you make an appointment and I have no wish to make an appointment with you.

Furthermore, on the xx/xx/08 under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (Sections 77−79), a CCA request was sent to MHA Collections who were acting on instructions from LloydsTSB. This has to date gone unanswered and therefore by the lack of response has placed the above account into dispute until such time as a reply to that request is received.

Yours Sincerely

 

Any comments, anything to add ?

 

Cheers.

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No, as in nothing to add and it's ok ? Or No, it's not alright and not worded correctly ? :)

 

Pete.

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Hi Pete,

 

I thinks she means it`s fine as it is.

 

Hope your doing well?

 

 

 

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Hi N.P

Not too bad considering everything, should be back in hospital soon for more surgery quite soon :( Hopefully that will be the end of it for a few years then. I'll have to get that letter off to BLS tomrrow though, I've had it since last week but just couldn't be bothered with them to be honest. As long as I spell it out to them, I wont feel guilty about ignoring them in the future with the fantastic savings they could offer me. :)

 

Pete.

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Hi again everyone hope you're all keeping well, just to update on this fiasco.

 

Right, since my letter to BLS (Post #102), I have had 2 more from them. The first one was a standard "We are acting on instructions from ...... and we want our money back now please".

 

Then I got a LloydsTSB Paying in book sent to me, nothing else just the book :) This was followed 2 days later by the second letter from BLS. They say that my offer of £1 per month has been accepted but will be reviewed periodically. that is what the book is for then :)

 

after 9 months of not responding to my request of freezing interest and my offer of £1 token payment somebody has actually made a decision !!

 

Now a couple of points, do I write and ask them about returning the £1k approx of interest they have added since my initial offer last year, and I presume they should also be reminded of the outstanding CCA request sent to MHA.

 

I am quite willing to pay the £1 but I will stress that it is ONLY as a goodwill measure whilst I await the response from MHA.

 

Pete.

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Hi odds,

 

If they have not responded to your CCA, then you can legally withhold ALL payments. You are under no obligation to pay them anything now.

 

With them accepting your £1 payments may be their way of getting you to acknowledge the debt. Why would you want to pay off their interest on an account which has been in dispute for months?

 

Tell them you will only pay the £1 a month providing they remove the £1k interest, and you want this in writing.

 

It is entirely up to you which way you go, but just look at it from there.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Regards

 

 

Neil.

 

 

P.S. Do you think the mofo`s make a goodwill gesture to you? Even if they do remove the charges, they still had a nerve applying them in the first place on a disputed account.

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Good evening,

Probably totally irrelevant but I have just been looking through my CC statements from the past 9 months ( I was bored ;) ) and I have just noticed that on some of them they have 'Late Charges' of £12 and others don't have them. All the payments of £1 were paid around the same date of each month, well before the due date. Any ideas why this should happen ?

 

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Hi Pete,

 

Possibly because you didn`t pay the full monthly payment. For example, if your monthly payment due is £30 and you only pay £1, your then £29 down, so they will whack a charge on.

 

Thats the only thing I can think of.

 

Regards

 

 

 

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Hi N.P

 

They are all for £1 each month it was paid :)

eg: Jan £12 charges, Feb no charge, March and April £12 charges, May and June no charges.

As I said ALL were reduced payment and always the same time of the month.

Strange eh ?

Do you think it might have something to do with the various departments they seem to pass the letters around to ?

 

Pete.

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yep thats rite NP. they will try and blag anything out of u at mo.

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Hi Pete, Hi GodMother,

 

I`m not 100% sure as to why they seem to have a strange pattern Pete, but GM seems to agree with me on this.

 

Perhaps with the account being in dispute, they may apply charges some months but not others, to possibly try and look like they`re not bombarding you with charges on a disputed account. That`s the only thing I can think of. They WILL try anyway to get anything out of you.

 

My campaign of hate started when I knew on the day that my Lloyds TSB Mastercard was due out that I would be short, but paid money into the account the same day, but instead of waiting untill the end of the business day to sort things out, they bounced the Mastercard monthly payment and added a missed and also a late payment charge on the card. And also a £35 charge on the current account. From that moment, it was war........ and I`m not budging, not matter what BS they give me! :mad:

 

 

 

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How`s you health these day Pete, I hope you doing well and getting stronger. You`ll probably need to with these mofo`s

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I agree as i have a lloydstsb CC that i m battling with at the mo.

 

They want me to make payments on this card that i could not have used at the dates and some of the times. I have been put over £500 overdrawn by the local hospital as when i was in hospital having littlen someone was using my card. My purse containing the card wsa in the wards safe. One of the transactions was done whilest i was in surgery.

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That sounds dodgy, are you saying someone actually went into the safe and took and used your card, or you were the victim of ID theft? I think it would be hard for someone just to take the card and use it without knowing your pin, won`t it be blocked or eaten after 3 wrong pin attempts?

 

I once received a invoice from Spain for £180+ for a Satellite Internet Service. It turned out there was £180+ used on my Egg Card, and when I asked them to check what the hell this way, someone somehow managed to use my card number etc in Spain. Egg cancelled the card, setup a new account and card and started a trace or something like that, as far as I know.

 

It was quite an inconvenience at the time, but I thought it was quite clever and cool at the same time. I didn`t lose out in anyway, just inconvenienced.

 

 

 

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Adding to that......

 

I would have thought the idiots should look into your complaint instead of hassling you, but then again, this IS Lloyds TSB we are on about here. We shouldn`t expect anything else from these parasitic, moronic, empty headed knob jockeys. :mad:

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well i wrote to them and they have not answered i have made payments on to the account but i am not paying for what i dont owe especially as my medical records can prove that i was in hospital during the time in question.

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Hi all,

Well I'm a bit stumped now as to what to do. I'll just recap in date order as simply as possible.

 

06/05/08 Letter from MHA dated asking for arrears on account of £xxx.xx

 

13/05/08 CCA request sent to MHA with letter asking why Lloyds had ignored previous correspondence etc......

 

21/05/08 Responce from Lloyds about my complaint ?

 

29/05/08 Lloyds tell me they are passing the account to their Central Debt Recovery Dept. (CDR)

 

Then get letters from BLS, 05/06/08, 05/06/08(yes 2 the same date), 12/06/08, 07/07/08.

 

15/07/08 Informed BLS due to the lack of response from MHA the account is now in dispute due to the non compliance with my CCA request.

 

18/07/08 BLS asking for the outstanding balance of £xxxxx.xx. This debt will not go away etc.

 

22/07/08 BLS accepting my £1 token payment .... excuse me but I have never made an offer of payment to BLS.

 

26/08/08 Letter sent to Lloyds Official Complaint, basically covering everything that has gone on for the last 10 months asking for explanations as to their actions, and where my £1 Postal Order went. No acknowledgement or reply yet.

 

11/09/08 Full and Final Settlement offer from BLS offering to write off nearly £8k of the total owed. But I must still keep paying my £1 in the meantime.

 

Now for the questions:

Do I ignore BLS ?

Do I just pay the £1 untill they decide what THEY want to do ?

Do I pay another £1 and CCA BLS ?

Do I remind BLS that I have already told them the account is in dispute and thank them for their kind offer ?

 

My stubborn side says stuff them, if they can't even be bothered to reply to my letters then why should I go into town to pay them the £1, my missus on the other hand says just pay them till they sort it out. You just know that you aint going to win arguing with a woman :)

 

Any suggestions (except divorce her) will be greatfully recieved.

Thanks.

 

Pete.

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Hi Pete,

 

Welcome to the silly Lloyds TSB games.

 

It could be they don`t have anything at all, hence the offer of a reduction of £8K.

 

Only you can decide, but they still haven`t responded to your CCA request yet. So why would you give in now?

 

I`m being approached by Debt Managers now about Lloyds. First it was MHA, then SC&M, then BLS, then SC&M and now Debt Managers.

 

I can play this game forever ever!

 

Keep all the letters you`ve been sent and if this goes further it will show how silly they have been instead of sorting out your concerns.

 

Right, off to bed now. Catch you later.

 

 

 

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Hi odds.

 

Personally i would thank them for the leter and decline the offer as the debt is in dispute due to your CCA request being ignored and your official comlaint being ignored aswell.

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Since I requested my phone number to be removed from the system I have to admit that Lloyds have been true to their word and I have never had a call from them.

 

However, on Monday my missus went to the bank to withdraw her wages, as she does every month, and the girl behind the desk asked her why she had a block on her phone number (obviously because of my letter).

 

She just told her, if you want to sell me anything write to me.

after all this time why has this been asked ?

Is it anything to do with a till girl to question this ?

Or have they just realised we are a couple (not married) and share the same address.

 

To be honest it doesn't bother me just wondered why after all this time they asked the question.

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HI Pete,

 

Just tell the idiots it`s none of their business what you do with your number, it`s to stop bell ends like them ringing you. Tell the empty heads that line is for your use, not their`s and if they want to contact you they can write and you will reply ONLY if it warrants a reply. Period, full stop, in fact why am I even speaking to you, I don`t have to explain myself to you, just give me my wages, till girl, NOW! ;)

 

They get paid to ask you numb questions, you don`t get paid to answer them, so don`t.

 

I think you get the message, Pete.

 

Anyway, I hope your doing well, we haven`y heard from you in a while. Have you checked out this thread, started by pt2537? It`s mighty interesting - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/171037-multiple-agreements-falling-within.html

 

You might just be able to use the info.

 

Cioa for now.

 

 

 

N.P

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when ever i go into the bank thy always ask if i need nything else i say yes the winning lotto numbers. they advise me if they had those they wont be working there.

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Another stupid answer, somehow I don`t think you`d be interested if they won, I get the feeling you meant you want the numbers yourself :cool:

 

And if you did win, you wouldn`t be banking there again, would you?

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