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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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Thanks for looking at this as so frustrating. Basically on incapacity benefit but after another medical been told that i dont have enought points. I have appealed and have been awaiting for a tribunal date. This has been going on for over six months. What happened that shocked me was that they did not reduce the level of payment they just stopped paying all together. As i assumed the tribunal would not take long although worried i was able to live of the back payment which was a large sum after winning a previous tribunal. (I have won two tribunals) However now that money is gone and i have relied on friends and family to help me with food and bills. I have not wanted to sign on at the jobcentre but now looks i will be forced too although not sure how this will affect my appeal. All the stress has exsparated my condition and have spent nearly every day and sleepless nights worrying about. Is it legal for them to cut all payment to me while waiting for an appeal? Is there anyway i can fight for them to pay me the reduced rate until appeal decision? This is my last chance as in my area it is impossible to get any advice from CAB as they are closed you have to wait months for an appointment.If anyone has been in the same position and have any helpful advice it would be most appreciated. It looks like i will have to attend my tribunal alone with no professional help which is intimidating enough. In the intervening months twice they have said we will look at your case again and then said you will still have to appeal as we agree with the decision. Thanks for reading.

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Hi Jigsawpieces

 

Sorry to hear of your struggle

are you a single person

 

If so you can claim Income Support while your appeal is being heard,

JSA but of course as you are appealing you are not really fit for work,

or ESA

you do not have to go with out benefit.

 

If you have a partner does she work ?

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Thanks for replying. I am single and live alone. I wonder if i can backdate the payment til the time they stopped paying me as i have been using the money i had saved knowing that i would be put through this stress over again. Certainly learn how to be frugal with everything although i'm months behind on some of my bills. I suppose i have been put off with all that bureacracy of going to the social who ask questions i cannot answer as they wont really be resolved until the appeal has gone ahead. Ive had six letters off the housing since december. They are still paying but keep asking me what is happening as if i am in charge of the slow response from the social security department. They have squeezed the last drop of patience out of me. I darent go down there in person to speak to anyone as i think i will really lose my rag. ( I know not a good idea) I have sent them infomation and got reciepts and then two weeks later they ask for the information again.

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You need to apply for one of the benefits as soon as possible. :)

JSA i know you cant get backdated, I.S you can.

With Income Support you will be paid at what they call appeal rate rate, at the moment its £51.45. If you make a claim to I.S then ask for backdating to the day after you failed your PCA.

 

Few questions

Do you have DLA? .

Do you have a pension ?

Do you have saving over 16K?

all three could effect your claim

 

You Can claim ESA and ask for back dating up to three months, but you would need a backdated medical certificate off your doctor to cover this period

 

Jobcentre Plus - Making a new or repeat claim

 

 

If you get awarded any of these then you should get housing benefit.

If you win your appeal you can go back on I.B

appeals can take months longest I Have seen is eighteen months but I dont think that is a record :)

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Thanks no i dont have any of the three listed. No savings the only money i had was the back pay from winning last appeal. I will try income support as i have no choice. I am still recieving Housing Benefit as it seems they cant cut me completely. Will that affect the forms i need to fill in? Thanks for being helpful i wont be able to get the other ESA as my doctor and i dont see eye to eye at all and ive been looking for a new surgery as he told me if i dont like it i can go elsewhere.

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Jigsawpiecies

now you have decided :)

dont forget when you ring the helpline ask for backdating,

what date did you fail your PCA?

well you need to ask for backdating to the day after,

if you dont ask your claim will go from the day you phone up, and you will have to put the request in writing at a later date,

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You need to apply for one of the benefits as soon as possible. :)

JSA i know you cant get backdated, I.S you can.

With Income Support you will be paid at what they call appeal rate rate, at the moment its £51.45. If you make a claim to I.S then ask for backdating to the day after you failed your PCA.

 

Few questions

Do you have DLA? .

Do you have a pension ?

Do you have saving over 16K?

all three could effect your claim

 

You Can claim ESA and ask for back dating up to three months, but you would need a backdated medical certificate off your doctor to cover this period

 

Jobcentre Plus - Making a new or repeat claim

 

 

If you get awarded any of these then you should get housing benefit.

If you win your appeal you can go back on I.B

appeals can take months longest I Have seen is eighteen months but I dont think that is a record :)

 

You can get JSA backdated but you would need a good reason on why you didn't contact the JCP sooner to make the claim. It would then go to a decision maker.

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You can get JSA backdated but you would need a good reason on why you didn't contact the JCP sooner to make the claim. It would then go to a decision maker.

 

 

You are very much right Nick. Backdating of JSA is possible for 3 months but only in exceptional circumstances. Jigsaw you can either go for appeal rate IS or make a new claim for ESA (depends if you have sick note).

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Well problem with GP then jigsaw can try seeing other GP in the surgery or speak to PALS.

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Thanks everybody. Went down there today after recieving another letter from Housing Office. Sorted them out and was able to pick up an income support form which is the route i will take and try to get money backdated. I know that it will take them weeks to sort out but its better than being in limbo struggling to put money in the electric meter.

 

I will be looking for new doctor/practice but will do one thing at a time. It does actually take a long time to find.

 

Thanks for the help i will let you know how it progresses. I used my friends computer and have bookmarked this website on her computer as she is having lots of hassle too after recovering from hospital surgery. Im sure that she will get good advice on here.

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