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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
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    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? 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In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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Can anyone point me in the right direction as to what this is exactly?

 

There is a reason behind my question, but dont really wanna go too much into it if its possible as the whole situation is still ongoing and Im not sure if its wise to talk about it at length?

 

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SpiceBoy,

 

There is no right or wrong answer to this as direction would be given by the court. Suffice to say in the event of a motor incident, if proven guilty or with admission of guilt, then this would provide a strong case for legal action against the guilty party and/or his insurers. In the event that such a person was uninsured then the case for damages could be taken up with the MIB.

Without full details of the circumstances, further guidence cannot be given however I must stress that the above is my assumption only and suggest that you seek professional advice starting perhaps with CAB who will point you in the direction of a solicitor specialising in your circs.

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Thanks for your reply Trojan....

 

The incident basically was that I was run over by the other party in their car and I was severely injured as a result (as most people would be after getting run over by a car lol)...

 

The other party was insured and has admitted guilt (they changed their plea just days before the court case was to be held and has since been sentenced) and I had filled out Criminal Injury forms a while before this....

 

What I was wondering is what will happen with it after the guilty party has been sentenced and how do I check up on what is happening with it?

 

Thanks!

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Spiceboy,

 

Fourtunately (well not for you at the time !! ) the driver was insured which means the process will be relatively straight forward however may take some time.

I'm assuming that you have already been in contact with his insurers and or their solicitors and that a claim has been submited and the conviction effectively proves no contributory negligence on your behalf. Damages will be paid by his insurers.

I would not concern yourself with the driver, only deal with his insurers.

From what you say, you will be entitled to significant damages legitimately and strongly suggest employing the services of a solicitor. Do not approach one of these ambulance chasers that advertise "no win no fee" as they are effectively a sausage machine. Find a solicitor in your area who specialises in RTA claims. They may charge but with such a clear cut case, their charges will be claimed from the guilty person's insurers and will not affect the value of your claim.

Be prepared for a lehgthy battle over quantum as obviously the insurers will require medical reports etc and will no doubt try to minimise their payment but with a good solicitor, you'll get what you deserve.

Don't forget, as well as injury to yourself, you can claim for loss of earnings, loss of mobility, time spent by a carer (within reason) i.e. your wife/friend having to look after you - effectively any costs that you've had as a result of the accident, even the clothes you were wearing.

 

As I've said, don't use one of the ambulance chasers, get a proper specialist solicitor - they also will probably not charge you direct either and you'll get a better service.

 

I hope this helps. Any issues with the insurer concerned though, please shout as there are one or two claims specialists here also.

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Thanks for your great reply Trojan :D

 

The accident happened in April 07 and I have been in constant contact with one of the best law firms in wales whom are kindly dealing with the case...

 

I have a claim with them and at this moment its at the stage where the investigation period has ended and his insurers haven't replied to a settlement offer and I think the next stage is to issue proceedings...

 

My medical exam has been done for a while and the projections were that I will make a full recovery by 12 months time as of November 07...

 

What Im confused about is.. I have signed forms with the police for a criminal injury claim with them I think? this is separate from my claim with my solicitors...

 

I think you can see my confusion? lol

 

Thanks again for your help :)

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I see where you are coming from. Unfortunately I can't really comment on the claim via criminal injuries other than a general view in relation to the insurance claim but it may help unless a person with criminal law knowledge can qualify.

 

Anyway, my view would be that as you are making a valid claim against the negligent person's insurance then I doubt that the criminal injuries board would provide additional compensation. My understanding is that it is there to provide such compo where there is no other way of being reimbursed. Once they establish that you are claiming against the negligent person's motor insurance, I suspect they will close the claim.

 

If however the driver was uninsuredthere may be cause for claim however, where injury etc is caused as a result of a motor (RTA) incident then you would submit a claim to the MIB anyway.

 

I personally don't think therefore the CIB will entertain your claim. You will undoubtedly get a better payout from the insurers anyway. Also, depending upon what the guy was convicted of careless driving or dangerous driving will be a factor also.

 

Whilst I disagree, careless driving is viewed as a minor RTA offence which would not carry much weight, even dangerous driving these days you only get a slap on the wrist - unless you are eating a sandwich stationary at traffic lights :) . Yes - I'm a cynic but don't start me about lenient sentences for serious legitimate driving offences i.e no licence/insurance/manslaughter etc.

 

Sorry, just thought I'd add the rant there.

 

Anyway, trust that all works out well.

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Spot the early bird lol...

 

Thanks for your reply....

 

If the CIB case has been closed due to me having a case with my solicitors then that is fine by me as Im not a greedy person by nature and all I want is what is due and not to 'get every penny that I can' like a leech...

 

After he changed his plea to guilty he was charged with dangerous driving and his sentence included a 1 year ban, community service and he has to take an extended test when his ban is up....

 

I dont think that his action were on purpose so I did feel somewhat bad that he had quite alot as punishment but I agree with you that the justice system is VERY unfair as I know of some drivers whom have done alot worse than just injure someone and had much less severe punishment and people whom have done alot less and had the book thrown at them...

 

Any and all Road Traffic Accidents should be viewed as extremely dangerous as the outcome can cost lives, no matter how small the cause is! So your rant is well justified :)

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Spiceboy,

 

As I've said, don't use one of the ambulance chasers, get a proper specialist solicitor - they also will probably not charge you direct either and you'll get a better service.

 

 

Trojan,

 

That statement is completely unfair, unfound and I wonder why you make it.

 

I guess that I am an "ambulance chaser" in your opinion but that term is literally impossible, wholly untrue and very derogatory.

 

Companies like mine provide a very valuable and extremely professional service giving help and assistance beyond what most people consider to be normal hours.

 

We do not charge clients, we do not put them in financial jeapardy and we do not take any money from their settlements, we do a lot of the hard work on behalf of highly qualified solicitors in providing pre-qualified injury claims whilst completing all of the mundane paperwork that many clients dislike doing themselves.

 

In my years of service i have stumbled across just as many unscrupulous, unqualified, unhelpful and useless 'specialist' solicitors who thought that they could cash in on the injury claim boom despite their complete ineptitude or inexperience, as I have come across your so called 'ambulance chasers'.

 

Be careful what you say because you clearly are not inexhaustably enlightened on every subject.

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