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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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This thread got so long I can't keep track - problem is I find stuff, link to it then get completely sidetracked! ;-) I'm pretty sure Dobbydog was near the beginning of the thread and several others. Also the Experian (tracing) link was recent. I shall go hunt for it now.

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We'll be seeing you in 5 hours then! :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:... I'm still ere :D Just found Dobbydog for Seahorse:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/112671-cag-cra-r-club-2.html?highlight=Dobbydog#post1107883

Shall now look for the luvverly (not) Hexperian...

I shall be 800 years old according to my posts, very shortly. I can do it...

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

- can't read/post much as eye strain's v.bad.

VIVA CAG!!! :)

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We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

- can't read/post much as eye strain's v.bad.

VIVA CAG!!! :)

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Helloo CallCredit:

Callcredit - Consumer Credit Referencing - Skipton Building Society

Over the years, the Society's customer base has grown to accommodate the needs of many thousands of people, with 80 branches across the UK and Skipton Group is now comprised of 13 companies, with expertise across the credit, finance and e-commerce industries; Amber Credit plc, Callcredit Limited, Connell Limited, EuroDirect Database Marketing Limited, GMAP Limited, Homeloan Management Limited, Pink Homeloans, Savings Management Limited, Skipton Financial Services Limited, Skipton Guernsey Limited and Skipton Mortgages Limited.

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

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- and 'heyup' Equifax Corporate:

Business Solutions Home

- gosh, so many businesses in there!! But, my most fave of the three is...

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yes it's this:

Experian - Principal activities

So many activities. So very very many activities. All based on data.

 

So, 3 Credit Reference Agencies. Making a pretty good living from data. Whose data would that be then???

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From equifax website

 

Debt Recovery

 

Bad debt can be crippling to your business. With today's heightened focus on managing expenses, you need to efficiently find debtors and collect from those most likely to pay.

The Equifax product suite helps you prioritize your collection activities and locate debtors, improving recovery rates and reducing write-offs.

Our Debt Recovery services enable you to:

  • Prioritize collection efforts We tell you where the live so you can send out the threatomatics
  • Confirm residency and identity by conning people to register with us to check their credit files thus updating us and our DCA buddies with a current address
  • Leverage reliable tracing tools and services to locate debtors Well at least someone with a similar name who may or may not be the real debtor
  • Maximise productivity Keep the Post Office in a job delivering thnreatomatics. Boost the price of BT shares by making calls demanding money.

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Cheers folks. I'll compile a lit of the juicier posts and email them over. If I get any feedback, I'll let you know.

 

....and don't forget to mention that Alan Milburn MP is on the board of Bridgepoint Capital who own First Credit. Just verify that first to make sure it's still a true fact. The BBC will be interested in that, as the GOV is handing out contracts to DCA's to collect Gov money, and Labour already has close links with Experian.........

HOIST BY THEIR OWN PETARD.

 

Blimey it works....:-)

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First they sacked computer engineers (outsourcing to India), now they're getting rid of 100 managers.

www.thisisnottingham.co.uk

Then there's this - Times Online April 6:

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Experian to track net users

 

James Ashton

 

EXPERIAN, the credit checking company, is braving mounting concerns over internet privacy with plans to launch a service that will track broadband users’ activity so they can be targeted with advertising.

Through Hitwise, the web-site company it acquired for £120m a year ago, Experian has held talks with internet service providers to sell its monitoring technology.

Observers expect it to compete in part with Phorm, an AIM-listed company that has stirred controversy after being recruited by BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media to track their 10m customers’ behaviour so they can be sent advertising messages on the websites they are looking at.

However, the key difference is that Hitwise, which describes itself as an “online competitive intelligence service” would play little part in dispatching the advertising to web pages itself, something that Phorm does through its Open Internet Exchange.

“Hitwise is not in the online behavioural targeting business,” a spokesman said.

Phorm’s shares have tumbled 36% since it unveiled its three key clients in February, partly because of a £32m fund-raising for overseas expansion.

Last week, BT was drawn into the privacy row when it admitted to carrying out secret trials of the Phorm technology in late 2006. Jonathan Groo-cock, an analyst at Investec, thinks a revenue sharing model could bring in an extra £85m of sales to BT.

Another trial to be carried out shortly by the two companies will be monitored by the Information Commissioner’s Office, which said: “Clearly the trial should reveal whether this is a service that web users want, whether it is privacy friendly and that users are comfortable with the privacy safeguards put in place by Phorm.”

Kent Ertugrul, Phorm’s chief executive, insists that it tracks users anonymously, replacing their identities with random numbers that are dropped once an ad has been sent. Unlike “cookies” dispatched by many websites to track behaviour, it can also be switched off.

The company has recruiteda heavyweight board, including David Dorman, the former boss of AT&T and Christopher Lawrence, the vice-chairman of Rothschild.

Experian, once part of GUS, is best known for trawling public records and selling the data to banks and retailers.

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Then there's Lower My Bills, a 'service' provided by Experian:

Online Price Comparison - LowerMyBills.co.uk

and About Us - LowerMyBills.co.uk

Compare a Mortgage, anyone:

Compare Mortgages - LowerMyBills.co.uk

and here's the form they provide. Scroll down and see what they want from you:

https://www.lowermybills.co.uk/mortgages/mortgages-form.html

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so re gen your account was SOLD and no doubt this file is due for deletion but the data shall in my opinion shall continue to be their for the next twenty years ....as it is no one has yet prosecuted the CRAs to remove data completely from the records in other words what the goverment has done is allowed these companies to act ilegally and with inpunity as no one could afford to take this to task,but we can take the goverment to court to have the law changed but it would need many millions of signatures and we all know the british public cant be a**ed until it interferes with their home life imo

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if anyone saw dispatches last night concerning the MOBILE PHONES and goverment interferance will know just what i meant above,MARGRET HODGE should be prosecuted along with OFTEL for operating and abaiting a cartel with the mobile phone companies

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Channel 4 - News - Dispatches - The Mobile Phone Rip-Off

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so re gen your account was SOLD and no doubt this file is due for deletion but the data shall in my opinion shall continue to be their for the next twenty years ....as it is no one has yet prosecuted the CRAs to remove data completely from the records in other words what the goverment has done is allowed these companies to act ilegally and with inpunity as no one could afford to take this to task,but we can take the goverment to court to have the law changed but it would need many millions of signatures and we all know the british public cant be a**ed until it interferes with their home life imo

patrickq1

 

I have written strong letters to all the CRA's asking them for definite confirmation of their policies on data over 6 years old. I await their replies with interest. No replies as of yet.

 

I had a bit of an argument the other day with an Equifax manager as it goes. I was letting off steam about them turning up on my SAR from Barclaycard. He told me it was moral that creditors should know where their debtors were. I told him I agreed that it was moral for creditors to know the location of their debtors, BUT (a) it wasn't their job to do that, especially in the clandestine manner in which it was done!!! and (b) even if it was their job to do that, WHICH IT WASN'T, they certainly had no business passing on telephone numbers of debtors to disgusting DCA's that harassed folk in their own homes at all hours of the day!!! He seemed to shut up after hearing my comments and didn't know what to say!

What sort of world do you want your kids to grow up in?

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The trouble with letting off steam to one individual is that it makes not one happeth of difference to the bigger picture of them abiding by the law or changing things. THIS is where we need to have a bigger voice against these CRA's it really isn't good enough for them to get away, day after day doing this.

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