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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack  Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached   2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00.  The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month.   3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement,   Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us.   Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement   9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate   4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:-   a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement number 756050. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     Thw total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by Firrst class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges ]= 5.  A the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or  alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage.   Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs.   Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024   What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg
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You do & if you write to tell them that unless they provide a signed properly executed copy you will not only cease payments until they comply you will also seek a refund of monies already paid.

 

If they don't produce after that then the chances are they can't.

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You do & if you write to tell them that unless they provide a signed properly executed copy you will not only cease payments until they comply you will also seek a refund of monies already paid.

 

If they don't produce after that then the chances are they can't.

 

Please read the previous several posts regarding this matter. The only time they are required to produce a SIGNED copy is in Court.

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Hi

Sometime ago i draghted a leter which puts the ball back in their court i have used it a couple of times, of course now i want it i cant find it, any way it went something like this.

 

 

Dear creditor

RE: MY request under section77 of the consumer Credit Act 1974 for a true copy of my orriginal signed agreement.

 

Dear Sirs

 

Thank you for the reply and the documentation you encolsedd as per the above request.As you quite rightly say section 3 of s.i 1998/1957 states that you are not required to enclose a signed copy in response.

You will however realise that due to the time ellapsed since my alleged agrement was signed and the complexity of the document, it would be impossible for me to verify this as a true copy of the orriginal executed agrement, without the presence of my signature.

As I am sure you are aware in proceedings of thes nature the burden of proof rests with you to confirm that you posess such a document, it is not for me to prove that you do not.

If such a document exists surely it would be far simpler for you to produce it now rather than to have to produce it later in a court setting.

You would then be in the unenviable position of explaining to the judge the reason for wasting the courts time in bringing an action that could have been resolved so easilly.

Finally i am afraid that since the document cannot be verified you have not met your commitments under section 77 of the act and remain in default untill such a time that you produce the signed verifyable documentation.

 

Yours

 

 

Regards

Peter

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My post 2170 refers. I've just received a letter from Wescot (dated 15/4 but the envelope is franked 25/4 first class) acknowledging my CCA request; that was made an awful long time ago! They've not mentioned my "out of time you are comitting an offence letter" which was sent on 5/4 and signed for 6/4. Wescot advises "your request has been noted and we will be in touch in due course. We confirm the account has been placed on hold. In touch in due course? Do time limits mean nothing to these clowns? What next I wonder?

 

Ian

 

Just thought (have a bad head for the rest of the day now). As Wescot have not supplied the CCA, do I give them more time or should I remind them on that they have comitted an offence and they should return all payments that I have made, as previously requested on 5/4

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Just thought (have a bad head for the rest of the day now). As Wescot have not supplied the CCA, do I give them more time or should I remind them on that they have comitted an offence and they should return all payments that I have made, as previously requested on 5/4

 

They don't need to know about the offence... they just need to know that their time has expired. Don't forget that the Offence can be mitigated if they end up producing this document later so there's a risk in demanding your money back in that when (if?) it comes to Court, you may find that a panic-stricken search of their office has turned up the document. (I know, I know... :p )

 

However, I would writie to them stating that the time has expired and that they therefore have no proof that you are in any way indebted to them and that you require therefore immediate reimbursement of all your payments within 7 days. Make clear that you will pursue this through the Courts if necessary.

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HI

 

Steady old fella

 

 

Peter

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Thanks ncf355,

 

That does help but am still unsure as to what to do now. Do I write to the loan company and tell them that I am not going to be making anymore payments as I am no longer liable for this debt as they have failed to provid the executed agreement or any anything at all for that matter and do I write to the TS and FSA or do I just sit quiet?

Weaver -

 

Its Section 78 for running credit (such as credit cards) and Section77 for fixed sum credit (such as a loan for a fixed amount)

 

For both, time limits are:

Time starts the day after receipt of the request, then -

12 working days = Default

Further one month (So 12 WORKING days + 30) = Offence

 

There has in the past been some debate about all this, but its generally agreed that this is a generous interpretation that can only be in our favour should we start litigation

 

Hope this helps

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I just stopped making payments after the 30 days ran out. Never heard owt from the DCA again!

 

OK six months later and Wescot has taken up the torch, but another CCA request went to them 12 working days ago today, and the only thing in todays post was a letter from the Northern Bank saying that they need my old account number to process my SAR for a list of all my charges from the late 80s.

 

No Barclaycard agreement, valid or otherwise.

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Hi

Sometime ago i draghted a leter which puts the ball back in their court i have used it a couple of times, of course now i want it i cant find it, any way it went something like this....

 

Thanks so much for taking the time to type that peter, +1 to you. ill be sending a copy next week.

 

Im glad you're on our side !!!!!

 

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Yes, thanks for that Peter. Ive saved your letter in Word for use at the appropriate moment.

 

I hope you didnt take my comment on your prose as unpleasant, it wasnt meant as such. Its so easy for friendly banter to seem like a cutting comment on re-reading. Your letter was clearly written fast to give assistance to others.

 

Its thanks to you and your advice six months ago that Im now in control of my creditors.

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Make that creditor- singular. Thanks to the advice on this site Ive been able to pay off my Morgan Stanley card- with their own money- the s.69 interest which I asked for at the contractual rate of 20.9% thanks to CAG advice.

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Yes, thanks for that Peter. Ive saved your letter in Word for use at the appropriate moment.

 

I hope you didnt take my comment on your prose as unpleasant, it wasnt meant as such. Its so easy for friendly banter to seem like a cutting comment on re-reading. Your letter was clearly written fast to give assistance to others.

 

Its thanks to you and your advice six months ago that Im now in control of my creditors.

 

HI

 

All compliments greatfuly accepted, sounds like your doing the business with the nasties.

"In control of my credtiors".

Thats what we are after on here.

 

Best regards

 

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Please read the previous several posts regarding this matter. The only time they are required to produce a SIGNED copy is in Court.

 

I have 'read' the several posts & say again they are required as per the CPR to supply a signed properly executed agreement BEFORE the issue of proceedings

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The failure to provide a 'true' copy of an agreement when requested by a potential defendant in a civil court action, is in breach of pre-action protocols, in particular CPR PD 4.6, a fact that you should bring to the attention of the court should they persist with enforcement action.

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Indeed but breaches of pre-action protocols do not preclude a claimant from bringing an action; they will simply make it easier for a defendant to show unreasonable behaviour on the part of the Claimant when it comes to court. A Judge would be extremely unlikely to strike out a claim on the basis that a single document was not sent when requested; epsecially as that document is not required to be presented by any regulation or statute. The CPR simply indicates that a failure to produce all documentation reasonably requested by the Defendant will be seen as unreasonable. Courts don't like unreasonable.

 

I admit it's a string to your bow, but really doesn't change what I said.

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HI STone

 

very eloquent

Must be catching,

I have looked at the P,A,C, and as you say it is another string in the bow.

I mentioned it to a friend of mne who woks in a solicitors office in conection with the letter i tried to recreate earlier with a view of including it.

He said that it pretty much stated the outcome that would derive from none complience ie they would have to explain to the judge, and while it might make the letter look more official by mentioning the pre action protocol 4.1 the effect in court would be the same.

 

 

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Peter

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Indeed but breaches of pre-action protocols do not preclude a claimant from bringing an action; they will simply make it easier for a defendant to show unreasonable behaviour on the part of the Claimant when it comes to court. A Judge would be extremely unlikely to strike out a claim on the basis that a single document was not sent when requested; epsecially as that document is not required to be presented by any regulation or statute. The CPR simply indicates that a failure to produce all documentation reasonably requested by the Defendant will be seen as unreasonable. Courts don't like unreasonable.

 

I admit it's a string to your bow, but really doesn't change what I said.

 

Tom

 

My emphasis above: I may be missing the point here and taking you out of context - but - if a creditor is seeking to enforce a debt - how can the prime document - the Agreement be not required????

 

or are you talking about something else???

 

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My emphasis above: I may be missing the point here and taking you out of context - but - if a creditor is seeking to enforce a debt - how can the prime document - the Agreement be not required????

 

or are you talking about something else???

 

Z

 

HI

The answer is the court will deffinaltely require the signed agreement with all the prescribed terms, as without they have no option but to throw the case out, if the agreement was made befor April 6th 2007.

 

What is meant is that the pre-action protocols are their to ensure that the creditor knows that he is required to produse documentation relavant to the hearing, it does not mean that the hearing will be summaraily judged or thrown out because they do not comply, it does mean that it may be wayed against them in the proceedings as they could have saved the expence and time of the court by so doing.

 

Regards

 

Peter

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The answer is the court will deffinaltely require the signed agreement with all the prescribed terms, as without they have no option but to throw the case out, if the agreement was made befor April 6th 2007.

 

What is meant is that the pre-action protocols are their to ensure that the creditor knows that he is required to produse documentation relavant to the hearing, it does not mean that the hearing will be summaraily judged or thrown out because they do not comply, it does mean that it may be wayed against them in the proceedings as they could have saved the expence and time of the court by so doing.

 

Regards

 

Peter

 

yes I know Peter, but Tom said

A Judge would be extremely unlikely to strike out a claim on the basis that a single document was not sent when requested; epsecially as that document is not required

 

oh.... I get it... pre-case dismissed.... however the statement does read odd since THAT document is most definitely required. If I were defending this I would certainly seek a strike out before court since my defence relies entirely on this... which means there would be a strong case for the judge to do just that...

 

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