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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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HELP!!! Anyone know the answers to the following;

 

1.Barclays have defended my claim, not sure that I filled in the particulars info very well, only found this site afterwards..outlined my claim as being due to excessive bank charges etc...amounts to £5,900 including interest etc. Not found out what it is they are putting up as their defence, but could do with some tips. Is this fast track or small claims, as almost £900 is the interest over the years?

 

2.What happens if they don't pay up, am i liable for their costs as well as my own?

 

3.I asked my local court about the AQ and they said that the District Judge has directed that these be dismissed as the banks aren't going to court in the end..what does this mean in the long run?

 

4.When do i send in my information to support my claim etc and where do i get a copy of terms and conditions?

 

5.Do i do my own spreadsheet or do i get this from the bank?

 

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for anyone who bothers to reply. xx

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HELP!!! Anyone know the answers to the following;

 

1.Barclays have defended my claim, not sure that I filled in the particulars info very well, only found this site afterwards..outlined my claim as being due to excessive bank charges etc...amounts to £5,900 including interest etc. Not found out what it is they are putting up as their defence, but could do with some tips. Is this fast track or small claims, as almost £900 is the interest over the years?

could stay as small claims .... Dont panic lets see what B's put on their defence first

2.What happens if they don't pay up, am i liable for their costs as well as my own?

They will settle out of court so dont worry about costs

3.I asked my local court about the AQ and they said that the District Judge has directed that these be dismissed as the banks aren't going to court in the end..what does this mean in the long run?

Exactly what says . No AQ because the banks are settling before court

4.When do i send in my information to support my claim etc and where do i get a copy of terms and conditions?

 

Wait till you get the defence then send copies of SOC -- spreadsheets to both the court and the bank

5.Do i do my own spreadsheet or do i get this from the bank?

spreadsheets from here

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/bank-templates-library/182-6-interest-calculation-spreadsheets.html i used the simple

 

 

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou for anyone who bothers to reply. xx

 

 

Hope all that helps

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She'll take you up on that because you will win lol :)

28/2/07

Sent request for repayment of charges totalling £2,800 (I want it ALL back!).

8/3/07

Barclays send sorry your not happy letter

14/3/07

Letter before action sent

25/4/07

Barclays offer £1,790

27/4/07

Thanks but no thanks to the offer sent

28/4/07

Filed with mcol, now looking at a figure of £3,500, they should of paid up when i asked nicely :-D

11/5/07

Barclays acknowledge claim

30/5/07

Barclays defend claim

19/6/07

Received notice of transfer to Northampton County Court and barclays excuse for a defence!!!

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just been doing the schedule thing...i must have gone wrong with my adding up..this way it adds up to about £4,250...i got it to £5900 inc court costs...oops, does this disqualify me..should i write to them and explain that i am stupid/tired/single mother of three who can't add up?

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just been doing the schedule thing...i must have gone wrong with my adding up..this way it adds up to about £4,250...i got it to £5900 inc court costs...oops, does this disqualify me..should i write to them and explain that i am stupid/tired/single mother of three who can't add up?

Is you figure calculated by using the spreadsheets?

 

In the Barclays defence #1 does it say anything about you not providing evidence?

 

This is the problem we have when people start posting threads when theyre already at the court stage.. we have no idea of what they have / havent done.

 

best thing for you to do is post a diary of what you have done right back to the SAR

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Hi, not sure what you mean about doing a diary in the SAR? A brief outline of what I've done;

 

1.Asked for 6 years of statements.

2.highlighted the charges and wrote asking for a refund of them, however, only added up 3 years worth, which totalled £2,700.

3.Was offered £990 as only and final settelemnt offer, but i declined this.

4.Spoke with local court who suggested i use MCOL.

5.I added up all the charges again , but mistakenly added up the account fee and interest for the overdraft aswell, so the total came to around £5,200. With interest and the £250 court costs, this came to £5,900, which i asked for via MCOL.

6.Claim was issued in April, defended, but no information received as of yet as to what it Barclays defence.

7.Found CAG and noted that my application to the court, with my POC was very brief.I din't use a template, as I hadn't found CAG yet, but noted that the information indicted that my POC was very scant and 'vague', I merely stated that I had been charged £5,900 and would like it back with interest, as I believd that the chrages did not refelect the administrative costs and quoted the relevant act. Also asked for interest as suggested by MCOL at 8%, and stated that act aswell.

8.Then managed to work out how to send messages and asked about charges and court costs etc and was advised to do a spreadsheet by saintly1, which i did and worked out that my maths was not very good and i'd added the interst twice, so the actual figure is just over £4,250.

 

Hope this helps, (please don't shout dar$n I realise that i've messed up!)

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Thanks saintly 1, he obviously knows lots and i know very little (obviously), although I can quieten three rowdy boys and get them to sleep in a camper van x

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3.Was offered £990 as only and final settelemnt offer, but i declined this.

did you use a template similar to one from here, accepting as part payment but continuing for the full amount?

 

my POC was very scant and 'vague', I merely stated that I had been charged £5,900 and would like it back with interest,

I think this will be a major part in their defence.

 

the actual figure is just over £4,250.
This will have to be amended

 

Okay, You need to speak to the guys at the court,preferably in person, so they can explain it to you better face to face , tell them your errors and you wish to amend the claim, [this may cost you £65]

 

Take with you your new POC's and your updated SOC's

Once sorted send a copy to Barclays [recorded delivery]

 

dont worry about the court they are friendly and understand that you are not trained in the legalities etc.

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No, didn't accept the £990 as interim payemnt.

 

I have contacted the court but the info is still with northamton and when i phned them they said they haven't logged it yet and don't know what the defence is.

 

Northampton advised me that it was too late to do an amendment as barclays have defended the claim and to wait until i get their defnce and submit everything to the court..they said that AQ's are generally being done away with, but i might get one and can put everything on that?

 

as the amount is under £5,000 now, is the charge i've paid for costs £250 enough to cover the amendment, or do i have to pay this in addition as the court said that the payment should be £125 if my claim was under £5,00 which it wasn't but now it is?

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No, didn't accept the £990 as interim payemnt.
did you flatly refuse the offer?

Northampton advised me that it was too late to do an amendment as barclays have defended the claim and to wait until i get their defnce and submit everything to the court..they said that AQ's are generally being done away with, but i might get one and can put everything on that?

lets hope you get an AQ then

 

as the amount is under £5,000 now, is the charge i've paid for costs £250 enough to cover the amendment, or do i have to pay this in addition as the court said that the payment should be £125 if my claim was under £5,00 which it wasn't but now it is?

County Court Fees

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Hi again Dar£n, sorry used a dollar sign before. I was offered £990 as a final offer, I said no, that I would pursue matters through the court if they couldn't increase it, they said they couldn't.

 

Was told by the court that I could send in my information to them once I've had barclays defence in writing. I think that it might be worth me sending my schedule to the bank and suggesting they reconsider, do you think this would be a good idea, or should I wait for the court date, as it seems from what saintly1 was saying, they generally pay then.

 

Thanks for all your help. Jackie

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Dar£n I've just read your case posting re barclays and looked at the barclays one where you say you won, did you end up getting your claim defended, as your posts only go up to the bit where they decline to increase their offer?

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Hi again Dar£n, sorry used a dollar sign before. I was offered £990 as a final offer, I said no, that I would pursue matters through the court if they couldn't increase it, they said they couldn't.

 

Was told by the court that I could send in my information to them once I've had barclays defence in writing. I think that it might be worth me sending my schedule to the bank and suggesting they reconsider, do you think this would be a good idea, or should I wait for the court date, as it seems from what saintly1 was saying, they generally pay then.

 

Thanks for all your help. Jackie

Hi Jax, Hmmm dont know what the court is advising you like that for, when you file with them to start proceedings you are supposed to submit your SOC's to both parties, if you dont Barclays will accuse you of not providing enough information and in fact use it in their defence, usually in statement #1, something like

The claimaint has not provided any information in connection with the charges.......

To be safe, I would send both a copy [by recorded delivery of course.]

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