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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi,

 

Had a letter from Lloyds defending the whole claim sent to us yesterday. I am claiming for around £380 on behalf of my wife. The fact they are defending has really worried us, and I am a nervous wreck now. I've just gone through the charges and I have spotted a stupid mistake, I've got my dates mixed up on one of the charges, I've put £60 charged on 7/05/05 instead of 7/01/05. I can't believe I didn't spot this before as I was sure I doubled checked the dates and amounts. Everything else is correct.

 

What do I do? Is this a major problem? HELP! Please someone respond and tell me what I should do.

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Hi,

 

Had a letter from Lloyds defending the whole claim sent to us yesterday. I am claiming for around £380 on behalf of my wife. The fact they are defending has really worried us, and I am a nervous wreck now. I've just gone through the charges and I have spotted a stupid mistake, I've got my dates mixed up on one of the charges, I've put £60 charged on 7/05/05 instead of 7/01/05. I can't believe I didn't spot this before as I was sure I doubled checked the dates and amounts. Everything else is correct.

 

Don't be a nervous wreck - Lloyds always defend - they have to otherwise they are agreeing that their charges are over the top! Don't worry about the mix up in dates - I'm sure they won't even notice. Lloyds have just settled my claim giving me an extra £70 in charges which I hadn't spotted! Good luck and keep your nerve:p

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Hi,

 

We had a letter (recieved on 20th April 07) saying Lloyds are defending the whole claim and that they have 28 days to file a defence. What do I need to do now? We haven't recieved a AQ to fill in, should we be getting one, do I call MCOL about this?

 

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Hi,

 

I am in the same position than you - waiting for the AQ. Don't worry, I try not to (I am doing this on behalf of my son).

 

You will also need to start your own thread in the court section.

If you fill in the following with your own details:

renifos v Lloyds TSB

Claim number: 7QZ36436

Issued: 19.3.07

Court: MCOL**

Charges: £90

Interest: £0.92

Costs: £30

Total Claim: £120.92

and send it to one of the moderators they will move it into the right section for you.

 

Irene

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Hi,

 

I am claiming on behalf of my wife for around £400 inc the fee I paid on MCOL from LLoyds.

 

I recieved the NOTICE OF TRANSFER OF PROCEEDINGS yesterday (9th May 07). It goes on to say;

 

A DEFENCE TO THIS CLAIM HAS BEEN FILED. THE CLAIM HAS BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE COURT COVERING AREA WHERE THE CLAIMANT LIVES. PLEASE READ THE ACCOMPANYING DOCS CAREFULLY and the where it says AND NOTE THAT THE ALLOCATION QUESTIONNAIRE S/B RETURNED TO CAMBRIDGE COUNTY COURT. this has been crossed out.

 

Next page has -

 

WITHOUT HEARING IT IS ORDERED THAT:-

 

1. THE FILING OF AN A\Q BE DISPENSED WITH IN THIS CASE UNLESS THE DISTRICT JUDGE AT THE COURT OF T-FER ORDERS OTHERWISE.

 

The next page is DEFENCE AND COUNTERCLAIM (SPECIFIED AMOUNT). It basically says its disputes the whole claim. Its signed and dated the 26th April 07.

 

Can someone tell me what I should be doing now, whats the next step? Any info would be grateful.

 

Thanks

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Hi, is it a 9 point defence? If so it's probably standard. Bottom line is you need to do more waiting. You should hear something from the court your case has been transfered to soon.

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Hi Jshrt3,

 

Yes there are 9 listed points, I forgot to point out it also says on the Northampton County court page;

 

NOTE: ANY PARTY AFFECTED BY THIS ORDER MAY UNDER RULE 3.3(5) APPLY TO HAVE IT SET ASIDE, VARIED OR STAYED. SUCH A PARTY MUST APPLY UNDER RULE 23.3 WITHIN 14 DAYS OF SERVICE OF THIS ORDER.

 

What does this mean? Anything for me to worry about, do?

 

How much longer will this go on, should I prepare a court bundle?

 

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No , just sit tight and wait to hear from the court .. everything so far seems to be going as you want

 

 

EDIT

I have noticed you have posted details of your claim in other threads .I have moved them into this one so that all info relating to your claim is in the one thread .

Please keep to this thread now , thanks

When you want to fool the world, tell the truth. :D

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I WON!!!! :D :D :D

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/lloydstsb-successes/1774-barty-lloyds-tsb.html

 

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Ok, I'm getting a headache reading all the info about AQ and I am still unsure on what I should be doing.

 

So the advice is to sit and wait, correct?

 

Sorry I feel I need someone to reasure me. :confused:

 

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OOPS no sorry barty is correct .. you need to read that thread she has linked you to and send this

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So I send the Courts and the defendants solictors the Draft Order for Allocation letter and nothing else.

 

And in the meantime get all the things that is requested of me together, and send within the 14 days.

 

Is this correct?

 

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Its all over...

We got all the money we were claiming deposited yesterday.:)

 

I am now going to write to the court and cc Lloyds solicitors to stop the claim\proceedings.

 

We're are so relieved...

 

Thanks for everyone for their support.

 

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Well done littlep great news. :D

Just read your thread and you were at the same stage as me.

Inspiration of a win is good encouragement.:D

WELL DONE.

Hope I get the same result soon.

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Hi

I work in the chairtable sector and have dealt with literally hundreds of claims. In my opinion,the TSB have intimated an intention to defend but will almost certainly not turn up in court.

 

In our most recent case against Lloyds TSB in Haddington Sheriff Court (Scotland 25th June 2007) the TSB refunded the total claim + Interest and court costs on the morning of the hearing and then failed to attend.

 

Had a letter from Lloyds defending the whole claim sent to us yesterday. I am claiming for around £380 on behalf of my wife. The fact they are defending has really worried us, and I am a nervous wreck now. I've just gone through the charges and I have spotted a stupid mistake, I've got my dates mixed up on one of the charges, I've put £60 charged on 7/05/05 instead of 7/01/05. I can't believe I didn't spot this before as I was sure I doubled checked the dates and amounts. Everything else is correct.

 

What do I do? Is this a major problem? HELP! Please someone respond and tell me what I should do.

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Hello I am new to this sight and acting on behalf of my wife trying to claim money back from Lloyds. I have sent all the letters and taken the bank to court who as usual have filed a full defense. The case has just been transfered to our local court and we are waiting to hear from them. We are both nervous but did receive a letter from the bank that said

 

" I can see that you have already issued a court claim for repayment of these fees and that our solicitors are dealing with it. if you are successful in your claim, this figure will be deducted from any award that may be made. Other than this, we will not be making any attempt to reclaim this money."

 

As any one else received a letter like this. I have replied to them asking what this means but still no reply.

 

We both wait nervously. excellent website, full of help and support.

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