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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi I am new to the forum and am requiring a little help with my claim. I am claiming £1600 from Lloyds TSB.

I filed with money claim 30th March. LLoyds defended 27th April. Case was transferred to local court 8th May and Allocation Questionnaire was dispensed with. I received a letter for Directions at local court (Keighley)11th July which will be by way of a telephone conference. What do I have to do to prepare for this?

 

Thanks for any help.

 

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re allocation payments where AQs have been dispensed with:

 

- I called the worcester court yesterday to check about paying the allocation fee as on other threads I've seen other people having to pay it, but the courts being slack in requesting it.

 

 

worcester court said that normally the allocation fee is payable even if the AQ has been dispensed with, but that all allocation fees for these bank charge cases at worcs court have been dispensed with as well. nice.

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b) copies of all documnets which you intend to rely (the originals of such documents must be brought to the hearing)

 

:confused: omg, does this mean copies of T&Cs will not be allowed? So many of us don't have them any more, relying on the kindness of others to supply.,

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St Helens, Merseyside have dispensed with AQ.

halifax: Data Protection Act sent 05.05.06

40 days up: 14.06.06 - no info received

sent lba 09.06.06 telling them they have 7 days (21.06.06) to comply

sent prelim letter, 22.06.06 - £4340.00!!

03.07.06 - offered £565 from Halifax

SENT LBA - 7TH JULY 2006

FILE MONEYCLAIM - 21.07.06!!

4.08.06 - ****** SETTLED IN FULL *******

 

Barclays: sent Data Protection Act 31.05.06

received some info 09.06.06, missing 3 years worth of statements- rang them, they now have 25 days to comply

sent prelim letter, 23.06.06 - £2520!!

SENT LBA - 11TH JULY 2006

20.07.06 - OFFER RECEIVED £900..... No Thanks!!

FILE MONEYCLAIM - 24.07.06

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Hi,

 

I have had exactly the same response from my claim with First Direct - I've got the 'Allocation Questionairre has been dispensed with' letter attached to the Transfer of Proceedings letter, so I am now sending a nudge letter to DG and also the Draft Order for Directions to Manchester County Court - is this the right way to do this?

Thanks!

Martina

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My court has dispensed with the AQ. What I am not sure about and would appreciate assistance on is the following:

 

> Do I need to send the current Ts&Cs with the court bundle? Do these have to be current or old Ts&Cs? I can only get current from the website

 

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated

 

Regards

 

Vimal

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Hi everyone. Quick qestion. Is the mentioned draft order all I have to send at the moment to the court, that 1 sheet? Also I know this may be a bit thick to ask, but on the draft order it says that the documents will be supplied in 14 days. I take it as its a draft, then these will not have to be sent until the actual A&Q is completed, is this correct?

 

I know I'm a bit dull, but I just want to make sure I'm doing things right.

I have just had a notice of transfer of proceedings saying that the A&Q may be dispensed with and just printed out nudge 1 to SC&M, which I will send tomorrow.

 

Please help

 

Ihava bigtiets

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hi there,

my case was transferred from northampton to reading, the order came stating the AQ dispensed with etc: I visited the court yesterday to find out what was happening and was told that the file was reviewed by the district judge and that LLOyds have had their defence struck out. What now?

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hi there,

my case was transferred from northampton to reading, the order came stating the AQ dispensed with etc: I visited the court yesterday to find out what was happening and was told that the file was reviewed by the district judge and that LLOyds have had their defence struck out. What now?

 

That means that the Judge has rejected Lloyd's defence, and assuming Lloyds is your bank, that pretty much means you win. I think :)

 

Obviously, wait for the official notification from the court, but I think you've got it in the bag.

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hi there,

my case was transferred from northampton to reading, the order came stating the AQ dispensed with etc: I visited the court yesterday to find out what was happening and was told that the file was reviewed by the district judge and that LLOyds have had their defence struck out. What now?

 

 

Ring the following:

 

ITV,BBC Channel 4 CBeebies, The Times, The Sun, the mirror and the Beano.

 

Well done, make it public like they did.

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Hi everyone. Quick qestion. Is the mentioned draft order all I have to send at the moment to the court, that 1 sheet? Also I know this may be a bit thick to ask, but on the draft order it says that the documents will be supplied in 14 days. I take it as its a draft, then these will not have to be sent until the actual A&Q is completed, is this correct?

 

I know I'm a bit dull, but I just want to make sure I'm doing things right.

I have just had a notice of transfer of proceedings saying that the A&Q may be dispensed with and just printed out nudge 1 to SC&M, which I will send tomorrow.

 

Please help

 

Ihava bigtiets

 

Hi

I am at the same stage as you and have just sent nudge letter no.1 to Barclays solicitors along with schedule of charges, I have also sent letter and draft order to my local court. Once the court has issued the order and I am presuming I will receive notification of this, then I have 14 days to get info together as per draft order. Hope this helps and if I am wrong in any way hope someone out there can confirm all this...:)

halifax: Data Protection Act sent 05.05.06

40 days up: 14.06.06 - no info received

sent lba 09.06.06 telling them they have 7 days (21.06.06) to comply

sent prelim letter, 22.06.06 - £4340.00!!

03.07.06 - offered £565 from Halifax

SENT LBA - 7TH JULY 2006

FILE MONEYCLAIM - 21.07.06!!

4.08.06 - ****** SETTLED IN FULL *******

 

Barclays: sent Data Protection Act 31.05.06

received some info 09.06.06, missing 3 years worth of statements- rang them, they now have 25 days to comply

sent prelim letter, 23.06.06 - £2520!!

SENT LBA - 11TH JULY 2006

20.07.06 - OFFER RECEIVED £900..... No Thanks!!

FILE MONEYCLAIM - 24.07.06

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Good evening everyone. I have received a 'Notice of Pre Trial Review' instead of an AQ This is to be heard in Cambridge 30th July.

 

This seems to be slightly different to everybody else.

 

Then it says 'Please note: This case may be released to another Judge, possibly at a different Court'

So what does all that mean I wonder?:confused:

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Cheers for that Jas.

I was just going to send of my first Nudge letter today and send the draft order next week, when I'm sure they won't reply. I just hate waiting

 

 

Your welcome......

 

As for the waiting, I'm afraid you just have to get used to that and be patient as they tend to drag things out for as long as possible... why.... I do not know.... as it is quite clear who is in the wrong!!!

 

Good Luck.:)

halifax: Data Protection Act sent 05.05.06

40 days up: 14.06.06 - no info received

sent lba 09.06.06 telling them they have 7 days (21.06.06) to comply

sent prelim letter, 22.06.06 - £4340.00!!

03.07.06 - offered £565 from Halifax

SENT LBA - 7TH JULY 2006

FILE MONEYCLAIM - 21.07.06!!

4.08.06 - ****** SETTLED IN FULL *******

 

Barclays: sent Data Protection Act 31.05.06

received some info 09.06.06, missing 3 years worth of statements- rang them, they now have 25 days to comply

sent prelim letter, 23.06.06 - £2520!!

SENT LBA - 11TH JULY 2006

20.07.06 - OFFER RECEIVED £900..... No Thanks!!

FILE MONEYCLAIM - 24.07.06

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Cheers again Jas. I have just posted a big letter on my thread mate, which I feel that people will get bored reading. I have had a stupid reply from Lloyds today, which looks like a reply to my first letter send in January. Have a look if you need some sleep enhancing material.

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swindon county court haven't sent an aq just a letter requesting all documents to be sent by 22nd june and court date to be confirmed but did say all statements and aq's filed have been considered mmmm as i havent sent them anything would be hard to consider...as this is 14days away should i send a draft order or leave it..

 

shrekkie

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Got a date now for a Prelim hearing at the start of July. Starting to brick it to be honest.

 

Looking through Gary H's thread on different court proceedures and he's stated to take a few documents with me such as draft order, statement and a few other things. My printer is feeling really poorly at the moment with all this work! God help it when I have to do the bundle.

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Exactly how I felt last September with my claim fro The Co-operative, but I won and what a feeling of euphoria.

 

When you've done it once, you'll look for other accounts to claim from! I've since claimed on my 2 daughters' behalf (both settled), and now busy with daughter no. 3's claim (Lloyds, a bit tougher). Also PPI on a loan, and c/card charges.

 

Woohoo!! Gettem tiger!! :lol:

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