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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Just looked at the Judgement/order sheets.

 

The only time that the Judge quoted that anything be struck out was when CL failed to file their AQ on time - Oh what a surprise!

 

So, On 18 June the judge quoted that they had failed to file it & gave them ANOTHER week, & if they hadnt supplied it by then the case would have been struck out.

 

They did do it by the skin of their teeth. Grrrr.

 

Even if the Order doesn't state it, the Court still has wide ranging powers of case management where a party hasn't complied with it's orders - IMHO, the Judge will stay the claim for 28 days for them to comply with the documentation with a strike out of claim if they don't, or he'll throw it out straightaway.

 

As with these things, it's worth writing to the Court Manager outlining that they haven't complied with the Courts Order and asking for the file to be referred back to the Judge prior to the next hearing - he may just decide to strike out without further notice, but giving him the option and a nudge won't hurt. Plus, he won't know they haven't complied until the day comes around, so telling him in advance gives him more time to consider his options. These Judges don't tend to take the initiative too much, but pointing them in the right direction can get some positive action, if it's done in the right way.

 

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EL,

 

Another thing that I just noticed whilst looking at the NOA. Its dated the 9th March 2007, which was a Friday. Howard & Cohen issue proceedings online 99% of the time to save costs. This was disclosed to me by their advocate on my second hearing. So they issued online on a Friday and sent you the NOA on the same day. But your POC states that it was issued on the 12th March (Monday) in Northampton County Court. So they either issued after the court shut on Friday the 9th March or the court for some reason did not process this till Monday the 12th March. This is exactly identical to my case. They issued online on Friday the 30th March. But the court only issued the claim on Monday the 2nd April. And the Judge in my case, on the second trial, before making the decision to strike the matter out, thought this was of GREAT IMPORTANCE. He said what this meant is that even if H&C sent me the NOA on Friday the 30th March, as it was not sent by Next Day Delivery Post, I would have only got it after the claim was issued against me. Therefore, the legal assignment was invalid due to the Law of Property Act. In my case it was sent to me by Business Post & I kept the envelope as well. But I only received the NOA much later on.

 

But in your case, I note that you did not receive this at all till at a hearing when it was produced.

 

If they can't prove that they sent you a NOA which you received prior to the a claim being issued against you, then they are in trouble.

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Hi Guys,

 

Manjusha, your input is very important so thank you for taking the time to assist in my case. Its very much appreciated.

 

Aaaah, the query I had over clause 7 is unrambling......when CL sent the copy to me they used a green highlighter to highlight clause 7, but I cant read it anyway as its so small.

 

What does it mean as clearly its significant. (to my detriment I feel?!)

 

The amounts stated on the default notice & deed of assignment do indeed incude penalty charges, of which they are aware as they sent me a letter stating such, and quoted only 4 charges, though there may be more but I cant say for sure as there are, as Im sure you have gathered many months of statements still missing.

 

baby daughter is up & crying, with an ear infection so have to shoot - will read up on other info posted tomorrow.

 

Nite all.

EL

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You Can Not Fight These B'stards!!! I Did And Won- But I Am Still Suffering Tot His Very Day!!!! You Can Not Do Anything!!! Once They Decide To Frack You Over There Is Absolutely Nothing You Can Do Even If You Do Spend Thousands Of Pounds And Thousands Of Man Hours Fighting Them!!!

 

I Did, I Won But They're Still Fracking Me Over Tot His Very Day!!! Yobs With No Names- They Have The Same Power As G-men These Days!!!

 

There Is Absolutely Nothing You Can Do!!!! Mere Mortals Such As Myself And You Are Not Even Allowed Access To The Court System Anymore!!!! All You Can Do Is Suicide Or Fight Back, And I Can't Recommend That For Legal Reasons!!!!

 

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EL,

 

I would contact the courts today best buy telephone and see if CL have filed all the statements with the courts. As you siad earlier they filed one lot with the courts and none with you last time.

 

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Hmm, if you say so. i personally have never been convinced by Laiste's approaches

 

as for a loss, no i don't believe that's the case at all. there are many knowledgeable people on here who can do exactley the same job Laiste did and a EDITED

 

I am wondering why the above post from PT was edited, after all he is a Mod and should not be edited. don't you think we should have the full benifit of his opinion ?

 

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Probably because it's best for laiste to be laid to rest, so to speak and instead concentrate on assisting the OP.

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Oh shucks, I was waiting with baited breath to see what was edited out because it might have been relevent to electric's case.

Anyway Pt no problem if you don't want to expand on the editing we will leave it at that.:rolleyes:

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EL

 

did u manage to contact the courts about the missing statements?

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Not been able to call the courts today as had way too many patients to see.

 

Im only working tomorrow morning so will be able to contact them in the afternooon.

 

Got to admit Im a little nervous, as last time I called the lady the other end of the phone got well shi**y with me, saying basically how wonderful CL were & that they never make mistakes as they're such a big company.

 

In addition she said that CL dont ever need to send anything out by recorded/signed for mail as they are so big they dont need to!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Woss she on, a flamin comission?????????????

 

Anyway, do I just call and ask them to confirm what dates of all the statements she has? Will she give them to me? There are alot 2002 - 2007.

 

Do I word my request in a certain way in order to get the best out of them? and, can I go down to the court to actually see what they have provided the court or is that out of the question?

 

Thanks guys.

 

Manjusha, many thanks for the claim filing info. Thats most interesting, & something I think will need to be quoted.

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By the way Car, nice o see you & many thanks for your input.

 

I would like to think that the Judge presiding over my case would order a strike out this time, but have always had the impression that he is woefully & obviously on CL's side.

 

The hearing in July when it became apparent that I hadnt been issued statements but the court had, the Judge just sent me out of the courtroom like a naughty schoolchild, & with a wave of his hand & rather condescendingly told me to pop along and work out how much the charges were, as if I could then go back in & tell him £150, so that he could IMO, then say......

 

.....Ok then judgement for CL minus the £150 in charges for this lady, thats all nicely wrapped up & I dont have to waste any more time on this silly lady & situation.

 

Thats what it felt like.

 

So, Im not too sure about him striking anything out!

 

However, if he doesnt strike anything out soon, he's going to be looking like he's being made a fool of by CL, as they really are beginning to take the P*ss out of him & me.

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Just found this from a PM that Laiste sent me last year:

 

I am sorry to read that things are not getting any easier for you. I have just read through the information again that you sent me and looked at the agreement & NoA. Both are unenforceable.

 

However, sadly she didnt advise why that might be?

 

Can anyone here shed any light on this at all.

 

Many thanks.

 

 

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I think it is best that you have a note in front of you that has a list of all the missing statements and you ask to speak to the case manager.

 

Say to the case manager i need to know this today and you are willing to wait on the phone while he looks threw and finds out if they have the missing statements, Hopefully to make it quicker for them they have sent them in date order. and tick of as he says they have /have not got them.

 

As him what the best thing to do next is as they have not supplied them to you but l think they will say you need to make them awear of the situation in writing.

 

We can then go from there with what to do as once we know the situation with the ststements we will no more.

 

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Hi EL,

 

I would be interested to hear too as in my opinion, the agreement is good.

 

it contains the required prescribed terms and there fore providing its signed by you and the creditor, the court can enforce it

 

i have not seen anything on you agreement that would render it unenforceable

 

sorry,

 

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Thanks Godmother - gosh you are sooooooooooo good at planning & problem solving, I am so impressed.

 

What a fab, yummy mummy you're going to make!

 

Talking of mummy's I have to get to bed as my 2 year old had me up most of last night as she has an ear infection. Dont know how I worked today to be honest as Im 'hanging'.

 

Nite all.

 

Will post as soon as Im done with the courts.

 

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well this is my third baby so i think i have had lots of practise at planning and problem solving. I was also a guide so i no how to plan stuff but not how to sort out my money. they did not teach that.

 

Thanks for that tho if you require any help then shout

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Have you thought of a Court Buddy, electric lemon? A Buddy is just that - someone that lives close to you from the site that can go along with you and help out, more support and stuff?

 

I know your location says South West, but if you can be a wee bit more specific, (City?) someone subscribed might be local enough to you to lend a hand when you come to need it?

 

Last I looked, Northumberland was way too far North to be anyway near the South West, but I'm sure there's some little tinker on here that is closer and willing to come along? (Hell, you can even include their costs when you win! Just kidding! :p )

 

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Hi Everyone,

 

Ive just come off the phone from the court.

 

The lady I spoke to stated very clearly that they were not in a position to clarify the "missing statements" over the phone & that I would have to go down to the court & have someone go over the file with me.

 

I virtually begged her to verify the info over the phone but she was very clear in her instructions. She asked me why I wanted the info & I told her that CL in the past had done a sneaky & furnished the court but not me, rendering me unprepared at the hearing and I didnt want it happening again. I told her that I would be at work for the next 3 days & simply wasnt in a position to come down. (baby started vomiting for England this morning)

 

She stated that I am not the one in trouble & that CL were the ones in the wrong. She said that from looking at her screen she could see that they had already had 2 chances & that this had in fact been their 3rd to furnish the statements that had been ordered by the Judge.

 

I again said that they might have issued the docs to the court but not me, what should I do?

 

She then very clearly said that it was up to the Judge to make direction but felt that it very likely that the Judge would strike the case out on Friday or give CL one final chance i.e. anothr week and if they didnt come up with the goods then order a strike out for then. Im not holding my breath though as this Judge gives these companies it seems masses of chances and masses of time.

 

She said that I should write a letter to the Judge stating all of this info, about all the missed chances CL have had, all the statements that are still missing despite the Judges orders, and the fact that despite all the judges orders Im still unable to formulate a defence etc etc.

 

So there we are. It doesnt seem that there is anything I can do other than this.

 

Tom , PT, Manjusha or anyone out there if you are able to be superbrill & come up with a super-brill letter so that I can put to the Judge there just may be a glimmer of hope that I may just win this case.

 

Thanks so much.

 

EL

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i will be off site for the next month or so. if you have any problems, feel free to report the post so a moderator can help you.

 

I am not a qualified or practicing lawyer.

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I think tom is trying to say the letter in post 332 is fine for this.

 

Persinally l would use this letter admending as necessary and adding in the list of statements that you are still missing.

 

I would make it very clear, using block capitals blod print underlining however you feel is best, that you want the case struck out and that you feel giving them more time would only give them more time to mess the courts and yourself about. Also make sure you add that you feel it is unfair on how they have wasted courts valuable time.

 

then send it off. If you want furter reasurance then post it up and we will help u further.

 

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