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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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hurrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay !!

you did it!!!! well done. you are an inspiration to us all. Never give up.

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Subject Access Request sent 20 June

£10 cheque cashed 6 July

16 July - Statements received

£1024.07 prelim let sent special del 26/07/06

Reply from S Higley 31/07/06 (how fast was that):D

02/08/06 LBA sent to Bishopsgate with proof of delivery from PO

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Congratulations, are you going to accept the confidentiality clause as well? x

03/10/06-Data Protection Act request sent via recorded delivery

06/10/06- Letter signed for. 15th Nov cut off date.

10/10/06- Statements come in tatty brown envelope.

Will be claiming for £1946.22

23/10/06- Preliminary request for £1946.22 sent recorded delivery.

24/10/06-Letter signed for. 7th Nov cut off.

08/11/06- Standard letter received wanting more time.

 

23/03/07- Time up for NatWest to say whether defending or not.

19/03/07- Acknowledgement of service and saying was going to defend came through.

04/04/07- Deadline for Natwests defence.

03/04/07- Defence filed came through.

05/05/07- Letter from Court to say claim stayed until 27/06/07

25/06/07- Letter from court, claim stayed until further notice.

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Well done mate!! :)

23-09-06: Data Protection S.A.R Sent

 

06-10-06: Statements Received

 

13-10-06: Pre-Lim Letter & Schedule for £2677 Sent

 

24-10-06: First Refusal Received From Stuart Higley

 

01-11-06: Second Refusal Received From Stuart Higley

 

15-11-06: MCOL Submitted

 

30-11-06: Acknowledgment of Service Received

 

21-12-06: Defence Received from Cobbetts

04-01-07: Offer of £1700 Received from Cobbetts

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whoa whoa whoa!!! calm down!!!

 

i havent accepted it yet....just thinking on how much NatWest value my confidentiality....besides after them making me wait, isn't it my turn?

 

Mickie aka The Toilet Bandit.

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08-05-06 - Data Protection Act sent to NW

08-05-06 - MP letter sent to Oliver Letwin (Cons, Dorset West)

25-05-06 - Statements and Data Protection Act received (14 days)

07-06-06 - Prelim letter sent to S.Higley claiming £1226.03

09-06-06 - LBA sent, due to negative response

29-06-06 - Claim served (Acknowledged 30-06-06)

27-07-06 - NW's Deadline - received 27-07-06

24-08-06 - AQ received and returned - Deadline 08-09-06 - Both returned

20-09-06 - 1st Offer - £850.00 with confidentiality REJECTED

05-10-06 - 2nd Offer - £1456.80 with confidentiality ACCEPTED

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Quite right Mickie......just that no one could wait......U know its a bit like those ppl that put their Christmas decorations up in November....;)

 

Now confidentiality ....er ahem (cough) (cough again )..............dont think they will take as long with that 1........Miss B will certainly want this thread banished to the Bag cellars.........but somehow I think people will be reading this for the very foreseeable future:cool: ...........

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On the confidentialty bit, I phoned up Cobetts and told them I wont sign it, My court date was this tuesday and said to them, I wont sign it so you can either carry on with the court case or accept that i wont sign the agreement.

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03/10/06 - NatWest Claim Settled in Full to the amount of £2344

 

09/10/06 - 2nd Natwest Claim - Pre Lim sent | Halifax CC S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent | Natwest CC S.A.R Sent

 

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Well done mate, what a thread, I think you should decline their offer just so we can keep you here for a little while longer.

 

Wahoooooooooooooooooooooo I just hope mine goes a little smoother but you are a testament to us all.

 

 

Chuck

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S.A.R. Sent 22.08.06

S.A.R.s Signed for 23.08.06

Recieved Statements Yr2000-2002 16.09.06

Non Compliance Sent 04.10.06

All Statements Recieved 18.10.06

Prelim Sent 23.10.06

Prelim Recieved 24.10.06

Prelim Reply Recieved 28.10.06

LBA Sent 8.11.06 / LBA Recieved 9.11.06

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Congratulations Bandit!!!

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NatWest - MCOL issued 31/07/06; NW acknowledged 03/08/06; NW Defended 31/08/06; Cobbetts offered 60% 27/09/06; NW settled in FULL!!!! 07/10/06

Halifax cc - LBA sent 27/07/06; No Chance

First Direct - Data Protection Act sent 25/07/06; PRELIM sent 07/08/06; Offer received 12/08/06; Refused 18/08/06; 2nd offer rec'd 23/08/06 £1405 without interest (£172) and we accepted:grin:

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well, I've given it a lot of thought and I've decided to take the money. I've weighed up all the options and even though I might have got a bit more out of them, there was, in my opinion, as much chance as them getting to Court and troucing me with the 'fair offer' argument. Maybe I didn't quite have enough bottle. Maybe, I don't know. The only thing I do know is that when I started out on this forum, reading the FAQs, reading the templates, all those months ago, I set out to reclaim back my bank charges, and with this cheque, I have done what I set out to do :)

 

The confidentiality doesn't really bother me, the way I see it as I haven't signed anything until now, I've told the whole world and if anyone does ask me now I have signed, then I know of a 'certain person who spent 5 months chasing it and in the end succeeded'.

 

I mainly just want to thank Dave and BF, for setting this thing up and giving us minions a way of beating the system. I also want to thank everyone that has helped me on my case, whether they are still here or not, you know who you are.

 

The site will definitely be getting a donation from me, and I fancy one of those T-shirts you used to do, do you still do them? I f so, where can I get one? I'll also fill out the survey and if theres any other loose ends I have forgotten, then I'll do them when I get around to them.

 

To all the noobs, i hope my case gives you faith. Fair enough it's taken me longer than most, but I still made it in the end! Like I said earlier, I probably could have got a little more had I gone on, but I might not have. To be a good poker player it's all about bluffing and timing. I feel the time is right for me to leave the table with a larger pile of chips than I had when I started here. If ever you are stuck, read through my case, and see how things went for me at a particular stage and hopefully, knowingly even, you'll come out a winner.

 

Once again my many thanks to everyone at CAG and BAG and any other AG's there are for, in a way, finally getting me debt free after so many years, thank you for getting me in credit with NatWest so I can close their 'goodwill overdraft facility' for the first time in my banking career, as it were. thankyou for making me feel a lot better about myself, making me know that I can achieve things, and finally thank you for putting up with me for all these long months.... *giggle*

 

Have fun guys and keep winning!!

 

Mickie

08-05-06 - Data Protection Act sent to NW

08-05-06 - MP letter sent to Oliver Letwin (Cons, Dorset West)

25-05-06 - Statements and Data Protection Act received (14 days)

07-06-06 - Prelim letter sent to S.Higley claiming £1226.03

09-06-06 - LBA sent, due to negative response

29-06-06 - Claim served (Acknowledged 30-06-06)

27-07-06 - NW's Deadline - received 27-07-06

24-08-06 - AQ received and returned - Deadline 08-09-06 - Both returned

20-09-06 - 1st Offer - £850.00 with confidentiality REJECTED

05-10-06 - 2nd Offer - £1456.80 with confidentiality ACCEPTED

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A legend .......;)

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well done mr bandit, just read your thread from the start, admire your persistance. just starting my claim against nat west, does it make any difference that i have an advantage gold account? also about 3 years ago i had to take a loan out (£1500) to pay back debt, charges & interest. as a seasoned campaigner what do you think

I won £5289 heres how

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/natwest-bank/40703-saint-luco-natwest.html

 

 

ITS NOT WHETHER YOU WON OR LOST, BUT HOW YOU PLAY THE GAME THAT MATTERS. ( OBVIOUSLY A LOSER THEN):D :D :D

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Gold accounts are no problem

You can claim all the charges except the subscription charges (usually a monthly fee of between 10-15.00.

 

If it can be seen that this loan you took out was indeed used for all or part to pay off charges that were unlawful then I would claim for that.

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Congratulations.

 

About time too! ;-)

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Well done matey. I hope they get their arses in gear and offer me what I'm due. I'm waiting on their defence at the mo. I've read this thread from near enough the beginning and its showed me what to do and when to do it.

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WOW TB, i have read your claim details and i recieved my court date a week ago and my partial offer letter today, which i have declined.

 

i also noticed that you are local to me! (I'm in Dorch). i showed your thread to my boyfriend who is a BBC journalist for Dorset and would like to arrange an interview if possible? I'll pm you!

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WOW TB, i have read your claim details and i recieved my court date a week ago and my partial offer letter today, which i have declined.

 

i also noticed that you are local to me! (I'm in Dorch). i showed your thread to my boyfriend who is a BBC journalist for Dorset and would like to arrange an interview if possible? I'll pm you!

 

 

oh lovely !!

 

Now Mickie to be EVEN MORE famous !!!..........:grin:

 

Though its not clear if he HAS signed the c.a..

If thats the case then unfortunately he would be unable to contribute anymore.............but alas...his story has already been told for 1 and all !!

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