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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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HI everyone i have finally taken the plunge and i am sending my S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) letter to barclays today along with my £10. its a bit scary and this is just the first step. i have online banking with barclays and i am able to check my statements for the last 3 months and they have taken wait for it a whopping £855 in charges. its no wonder i am up to my ears in debt. i applied for a basic account at nat west yesterday so hopefully that will allow me to have mine and my husbands wages paid into that. i want to say a big thank you to phillipa who has given me the stength to do something about this . fingers crossed

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Well done for taking the first steps. Keep reading the forums here for details on how everyone else is getting on and you can uncross your fingers, it makes it harder to type!

 

Come back and ask any questions that you cannot find the answers too and keep us updated on your progress.

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well done!! I sent mine yesterday, one to Lloyds, one to Halifax, just as scared! Just keep reading, there is so much to learn from this site and everyone is so helpful! If it's any help my friend just sent a letter listing the charges to Barclays, said she wanted it back. They sent her a letter, usual blah, blah, we do not think charges unfair, blah, blah but as a goodwill gesture will give it back anyway! She got £540 back just like that! Is the worm turning?!!! Chin up! Will keep an eye on your thread to see how you get on

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9-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent:o !! Lloyds and Halifax!

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Capital One

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Halifax Card Services

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Marbles

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Halifax (Birchave0's sis)

8-3-07 PPI refund Lloyds TSB Loan £1200 + £2900 off loan balance

22-5-07 Halifax *Won* £1025

23-9-07 Goldfish 8k balance written off, £2300 PPI + charges returned, no agreement

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Just a quick note to wish you luck. Follow the step by step guide and you'll be fine.

Barclays 1st Claim

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hi just to let you know that i have been sent the application forms for a new bank account by nat west and signed and posted them back the same day. its only a basic account but will enable me to have some control over by debts. fingers crossed its a successful application. i have got some folders together and i am trying to get my self into some sort of order so i am organised. thats not something i find easy.

i have about 3 credit cards and i am wondering if you can claim back charges with these. i dont know quite how that works with credit cards. if someone could advice me. also i know this sounds really thick but i am not very computer literate and i can reply to threads but spend ages trying to work out how to start a new thread. what do i click on to do it ? i dont want to waste peolples time reading throught this when i could post on the right forum.

thanks for any advice

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hi Linda, yes you can do credit cards, I'm just about to do mine. If you wanted to start a new thread for those you look for the main forum, it lists all of the banks and most of the credit card companies as well. Scroll down the list, click on the one you want, this opens that forum and then click on new thread, this enables you to start your own. I think this is the way I did it, hope it helps, if you get stuck ask one of the moderators or site helpers, they are all great

cheers

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20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Capital One

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Halifax Card Services

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Marbles

20-1-07 S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) sent Halifax (Birchave0's sis)

8-3-07 PPI refund Lloyds TSB Loan £1200 + £2900 off loan balance

22-5-07 Halifax *Won* £1025

23-9-07 Goldfish 8k balance written off, £2300 PPI + charges returned, no agreement

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just to let you know that i have received a letter from barclays this morning and i am wondering what is the best way to deal with it.

 

Dear Mr & Mrs *****

We refer to your letter of 9th January requesting information under the terms of the Data Protection Act.

You have enclosed a postal order for £10

Please be advised that the fee in this matter is £10 per person and we await provision of this additional sum before proceeding.

Whilst writing we would mention that in fact you require specific and limited information, for example duplicate account statement, these may be provided without charge and your initial payment will be returned.

Your further contact is awaited in due course.

Yours sincerely

Peter Townsend

Manager, Barclays Data Protection

 

Do i phone and ask for the last six years statements and not bother with any other info or do i phone and ask for the statements and any info on myself or phone and ask for statements and send another £10 for info on my husband. I put both names on the sar as it is a joint account and thought that would be best.

also the address on the top of the letter is

 

Privacy & Data Protection

Radbroke Hall

Knutsford

Cheshire

WA16 9EU

 

do i reply direct to Peter Townsend at this address or still use the London address.

Thanks for any advice

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sent my letter to barclays today telling them its £10 per account and not £10 per person on a joint account i have sent it recorded delivery . told them this is time wasting and the clock is ticking

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Good for you Linda. I think Barclays have tried this on before, make sure you keep on top of them and remind them when they get close to the deadline with a letter.

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just a quick question if and when i get to the settlement part and i win back my charges will i have a choice of how i receive them. i have an overdreat with barclays (obvious or i wouldnt be in this mess !! ) if they pay it direct into that account then it would be swallowed up. i have opened a parachute account at nat west would i be able to ask for payment to go into that account or have a cheque. i know i am nowhere near this point but i just wondered. if i can have it paid into another account then it will help me to pay off some other debts that i have.

thanks linda

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Maybe it would be better to pay off the overdraft and start with a clean slate.

 

 

 

 

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You have enclosed a postal order for £10

Please be advised that the fee in this matter is £10 per person and we await provision of this additional sum before proceeding.

Whilst writing we would mention that in fact you require specific and limited information, for example duplicate account statement, these may be provided without charge and your initial payment will be returned.

Barclays charging? not on my account!, I think for the purpose you want the records for [reclaiming charges] you just need to request account details for the previous 6 years, they will forward you the print outs of your account, these are not the same format as your regular statements but hold the same info.

I worded my initial letter as "please forward all records you hold on a/c No. xxxxxxxxx and a/c No. xxxxxxxxx for the past 6 years for my inspection.

I received without delay or charge.

I was wondering if you sent your SAR to the Head Office in London and not your local branch.

anyhoo, if you do get charged, be cheeky and add it to you list of unacceptable charges when claiming[lol]

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if and when i get to the settlement part and i win back my charges will i have a choice of how i receive them. i have an overdreat with barclays if they pay it direct into that account then it would be swallowed up. i have opened a parachute account at nat west would i be able to ask for payment to go into that account or have a cheque.

First. Lose the "IF I WIN" - be positive, you mean "WHEN I WIN".

As BMW says, I, personally would use your win to clear the debt, if you pay it into another account you WILL spend it on other things and you will not achieve anything.

Your choice at the end of the day tho, yes you will have the choice, but if you do not stipulate your method of payment it will automatically get paid into your No.1 account with Barclays.

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hi i have received a letter from sharon cafffery saying

" we refer to your letter of 16/1/07. i must refer you back to peter townsend's letter of 12/1/07. under the terms of the data protection act there is a £10 fee payable per person per request.

could you please confirm which of you the £10 payment is relevant to and we will proceed with your subject access request.

if in fact you require specific and limited information, for example duplicate account statements, these may be provided without charge and your inintial payment will be returned

your further contact is awaited in due course "

yours sincerley

sharon caffery

subject access co - ordinator

 

what do i do the account is in both names it is a joint account. if i just ask for info on my behalf will it alter anything if we go to court.? will they be able to say it is a joint account and you should both have applied.

do i just need to statements and nothing else or do i need to see if there has been any manual intervention.

what is the best thing to do

i sent the original letter on the 10th january what date do i start my 40 days from? could they say i was asking for the wrong info and not sent enough ££'s

ANY ADVICE PLEASE !!!

LINDA

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Hi

 

Someone correct me if im wrong but you are requesting bank statements on a joint account.

The statements are just the means to calculate your charges so you would only need to pay £10. ( which they normally return anyway).

I would just request 1 set of statement as 2 sets would be identical as its a joint account.

They are just being difficult .

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Does your account need two signatures to authorise a transaction, or just one? If you both need to sign, then that may be what is causing the difficulty.

Just request information regarding all transactions on the account for the last six years. You don't need personal information, just the information regarding charges levied on your account.

 

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Linda

 

Rooster is absolutely correct, your original DPA SAR letter (unless you modified the template) should have read thus " Please supply me with a complete list of transactions and charges relating to my banking history with your organisation. Alternatively, a complete set of statements for that period will be acceptable."

 

In this case, you should reply with something like this.

 

 

 

Dear Ms Caffery

Data Protection Act 1998 Subject Access Request

Account Number:

 

I am in receipt of your letter dated (date) and notice that once again you are attempting to involve me in protracted and entirely redundant correspondence.

My request was for a complete list of transactions and charges relating to my account since my account was opened, in short a list of charges with dates and amounts. Alternatively a complete set of account statements for that period will be acceptable. This should be retrievable from your accounting systems and easy for you to produce. I will accept a computer print out of these transactions.

This letter has been sent by first class post and therefore should have reached you by (date). I have no doubt that you will be aware, as of this date you have just xx days in which to comply with my request. As stated above, a complete set of account statements for the period in question will be acceptable; however, I expect this to be provided within the time period for Data Protection Act compliance.

I am prepared to accept that your continued prevarication is a genuine oversight on your part and look forward to receiving the information I requested. However, should the statutory 40 day deadline expire without receipt of the information that I have requested I will be left with no alternative but to commence a County Court action under section 7 and section 15(2) of the Data Protection Act 1998 and in due course, escalate this matter into an official complaint to the Information Commissioner and the FSA.

Yours sincerely

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Hi all just to bring you all upto date i posted a copy of the letter that hagenuk posted and sent it recorded delivery on 30/1/07

i have received a letter from barclays today from Sharon Caffery

"we refer to your letter dated 30th January 2007.

with reference to your subject access request under the above legislation, we confrim that your request is currently underway. In consequence, any material that qualifies for disclosure as your "personal data" will be supplied within the statutory 40 calendar day period.

if you wish to get in touch with us please contact the undersigned ."

yours sincerly

sharon caffery

subject access co-ordinator

 

cant wait for it to come and then i can get started

linda

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Hi everyone sorry not been around but had the flu !! still heard nothing from barclays since my last postin i take it they mean they are defo going for the 40 days from receipt of my last letter which should make for delivery around 12/3/2007. all this time wasted by barclaysand i cant wait to get to the next stage . still scanning the forums to keep intouch

linda

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