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MET ANPR PCN - occupants left Southgate premises - Appeal Refused - Starbucks/McDonalds Southgate Park, Stansted Airport CM24 1PY ***Cancelled by Euro Garages***


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1 hour ago, Honda Z50M said:

Doyou mean out iof time because it was originally sent out beyond 14days?

Correct!

POFA regulations

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Found it thanks.

Is it worth (or wise) to communicate that to MET (I know they know it but they don't know we do)

I'm thinking (as I would like to give them a little kick at least) ...

After seeking legal advice regarding this matter I have been asked to remind you of the Protection of Freedoms Act section 56 Schedule 4, para 9 (5). quote "The relevant period for the purposes of sub-paragraph (4) is the period of 14 days beginning with the day after that on which the specified period of parking ended. "

Your parking charge was dated 26 days (19 working days) after

Therefore as the registered keeper and proven NOT to be driving the car I am not liable for your parking charge therefore I respectfully request not to receive any further communications from MET parking or any other party on MET parking's behalf regarding this matter.

Any further such communications will be regarded as harassment and treated as such.

Then we also have an argument of harassment?

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No...

You also don't want to be giving away any clues to your defence, just in case the idiots do try court.

You really need to get out of the mindset that you're dealing with a normal business who can be reasoned with.

 

On 11/10/2023 at 15:28, Honda Z50M said:

Then we also have an argument of harrassment?

Nope, they're legally allowed to do what they're doing...

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3 hours ago, Homer67 said:

Do nothing, send nothing, speak to no one, wait for them to send you a letter before action and then come back here for a snotty letter.

 

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Response from Starbucks already!

Thank you for taking the time to contact Starbucks Coffee Company.
My name is Lora K and I am the customer care team manager. I have been asked to reach out to you by Alex Rayner. 
I am very sorry to hear that you have received a Penalty Charge Notice whilst you were visiting our licenced Stansted Airport - A120 DT store. 
As this store is owned and operated by one of our licensed business partners, Euro Garages. I would like to share your contact details with them, so that they can respond to you directly. 
Please note, it is possible that Euro Garages have no control over the parking facilities and will not be able to assist however, they will be best to advise you on this.
So, their management team are able to contact you, please provide a contact number, if you prefer to be contacted by email instead, please let me know.
I look forward to your reply.
Sincerely,
Lora K Customer Care Team Manager
Starbucks Customer Support
 
 

 

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As it is Met parking that issued the PCN there is not much point talking to Euro car parks I don't think. It is a scam site and I daresay that when Euro issue tickets when motorists park in their site and then go next door for a coffee they will equally be unhelpful.

I would write to Met and tell them that your wife , as keeper, is not liable for the PCN. She is not going to divulge who the driver was but it certainly was not her. Therefore there is no reason to contact her again and any further contact other than to confirm that her details have been deleted from the your records will lead to  met being pursued for  breaching her GDPR.

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This is a photocopy of what Starbucks did in ZicoUK's case.

So do give your details to Lora - it worked in ZicoUK's case.

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Already replied to Lora,

Lookingorinfo- this has worked for others in the past as as far as I'm aware euro are also the land owner and  they 'employ' MET as a contractor (making euro also liable for anything MET does)

 

When the CEO of Starbucks all be it a close representative whom they hold a license for their Starbucks outlet contacts them they should listen.

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did you pull lora up on the fact that they are not PENALTY CHARGE NOTICES - local authority parking FINES, but are PARKING CHARGE NOTICES which are not anything to do with the local authority but contract law>  fake tickets, merely a speculative invoice.

think this is the 2nd time we've seen this lady reply as such.

 

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1 hour ago, lookinforinfo said:

there is not much point talking to Euro car parks

you mean euro garages. but they wont be the land owners anyway. the airport authority are i bet.

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well Euro garages are worth 1000's times more than MET and most likely do own the land.

Euro Garages worth £4.7 billion

Met Parking worth £4.2 million

 

I think Euro Garages did or at least definately tried to buy Asda.

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i doubt they do

look it up on the gov.uk landregistry site. only cost £3

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I also emailed the MP for stansted yesterday and get this reply today.

Thank you for your email and for sharing your concerns with me. 

My team held a meeting earlier this year with McDonalds and a representative from MET Parking. I understand the crux of the issue is that the two car parks are owned by different landowners and it has been impossible to find an agreement between the respective landowners to merge the two car parks into one.

I understand there are plans to re-develop the site with a Taco Bell also being added adjacent to Starbucks. As part of the re-development it is proposed to have separate lanes for McDonalds and Starbucks/Taco Bell to ensure cars are directed to the correct car park. The lanes are likely to be different colours and it is hoped that this will avoid any confusion going forward. 

McDonalds have confirmed that they will not fine people unless they exceed the sixty minute stay. Starbucks have also indicated that anyone issued with a fine should contact enquiries@eurogarages.com who may be able to assist customers in cancelling fines, depending on the circumstances. 

I hope you find this response informative and I trust the forthcoming re-development will result in positive changes with respect to parking. 

Kind regards

 

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42 minutes ago, Honda Z50M said:

I understand there are plans to re-develop the site with a Taco Bell also being added adjacent to Starbucks.

THAT'S gonna be fun!

43 minutes ago, Honda Z50M said:

McDonalds have confirmed that they will not fine people unless they exceed the sixty minute stay. Starbucks have also indicated that anyone issued with a fine should contact enquiries@eurogarages.com who may be able to assist customers in cancelling fines, depending on the circumstances. 

Which means exactlyyyyy... Nothing!

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55 minutes ago, Honda Z50M said:

McDonalds have confirmed that they will not fine people unless they exceed the sixty minute stay. Starbucks have also indicated that anyone issued with a fine should contact enquiries@eurogarages.com who may be able to assist customers in cancelling fines, depending on the circumstances. 

needs to reply to this idiot and clearly state they are NOT FINES. 

they need educating!!

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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21 minutes ago, Honda Z50M said:

It could mean you CAN park in MCDonalds and use Starbucks but NOT visa versa?

Yes, it could. mean that... would you care to try it?

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On Friday  got his reply from Starbucks

 

Thank you for your reply and permission to share your email address. 

I have now shared your details with Euro Garages and they will respond to you directly about this matter. 

Please allow 3 to 5 working days for this to happen. 

We hope to welcome you into store soon. 

Kind Regards, 

Lora K Customer Care Team Manager 

Starbucks Customer Support

 

 

Still nothing from Euro Garages as yet though.

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