Council PCN - traffic contravention 52JM - failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle.

[Hamz909]

I received a PCN from Ealing Council today (27/04/2023). The letter is dated 26/04/2023. The alleged infringement was on 10th of April.

 

I have been given a fine of £130 for "traffic contravention 52JM - failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle". 

 

The car was not driven by myself, and in any case, the person driving was delivering urgent antibiotics to a disabled elderly man. I can get a copy of the prescription as proof.

 

I have gone to google maps and there is a little sign at the start of the road that only allows permit holders onto the road 24/7. Seems like a typical council money-making scam.

 

Is it worth appealing or should I cut my losses and just pay?

 

[Hamz909]

I received a PCN from Ealing Council today (27/04/2023). The letter is dated 26/04/2023.

The alleged infringement was on 10th of April.

I have been given a fine of £130 for "traffic contravention 52JM - failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle". 

The car was not driven by myself, and in any case, the person driving was delivering urgent antibiotics to a disabled elderly man. I can get a copy of the prescription as proof.

I have gone to google maps and there is a little sign at the start of the road that only allows permit holders onto the road 24/7. Seems like a typical council money-making scam.

Is it worth appealing or should I cut my losses and just pay?

[honeybee13]

Hi.

 

You've posted this twice, I've merged your threads.

 

HB

[Hamz909]

thanks for that. I posted it in the wrong section and could not delete the original message.

 

[Manxman in exile]

Could you possibly post up a google maps street view link so we can see the signage at the road entrance?  Is that view up to date do you know?

 

Once others have seen the site of the contravention, see what they advise.

 

(In the circumstances of this case you could always ask* the council to exercise their disctretion not to enforce, but the liklihood is they want your money too much - especially Ealing.)

 

 

*Obviously you'd need to gather as much evidence as you could to justify the urgent delivery of medicine to put forward as strong a case as possible

[Hamz909]

This is the google maps link:

 

Google Maps

WWW.GOOGLE.COM

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Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

 

[Ethel Street]

The view on tre link is dated September 2022.

 

On the sign it says only holders of SS1 permits can use the streets. The SS means 'school streets', and you can see Perivale Primary School in the street view.

 

Now the idea of these School Streets was that they were closed to traffic other than SS1 holders (ie residents) at the start and finish of the school day, and at other times were open to all cars. If that's what Ealing have set up then here's a thing, 10th April, the infringement date, was in the school's Easter holidays so it wasn't open at all!  Term Dates - Perivale School

 

 

But don't get your hopes up too much as the sign appears to say the restriction to SS1 permit holders operates 24/7.  Something you could explore though.

[Hamz909]

Thanks for your input.

I cant see any sign that specifically states that it operates 24/7 however there are no restriction times either so it can be inferred that the restrictions are 24/7.

[Ethel Street]

That's what I meant. Prohibition signs operate at all times unless there's a sign saying otherwise.

[Manxman in exile]

Although in December 2020 it was restricted to school arrival and leaving times...

 

50 Federal Rd - Google Maps

 

[Nicky Boy]

What about delivery vehicles?

Like the Royal mail van further down on the same street view...

[Hamz909]

Perhaps deliveries/ post office etc have exemptions... not sure but the rules here, the only sure thing is that Ealing council want to screw me (and you) out of our hard-earned money.

[Nicky Boy]

But, how would any "exemption" be actioned with an unmarked white van doing deliveries? (Quite a common scenario.)

[Hamz909]

I honestly think they don't care, they'll fine everyone.

[Manxman in exile]

2 hours ago, Nicky Boy said:

What about delivery vehicles?

Like the Royal mail van further down on the same street view...

 

Sorry, but where are you seeing the RM van?

 

AIUI traffic isn't prevented from accessing Federal Road on either side of the restriction on Federal Road just to the south of the junction with Perimeade Road, but motor vehicles can't go through the restriction 24/7

[Nicky Boy]

Sorry,  my mistake.

The van is actually further down Federal Road.

[Manxman in exile]

That's OK.

 

I think it's perhaps a bit odd that they changed the signage after December 2020.

 

Confusing(?) now if you knew what it said previously