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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Evening all,

After being successful last year with a parking charge in Basingstoke, I am back again with another one in Amesbury on 6 Feb '22.

I received a letter with the usual jazz on dated 21 Feb '22, however I received it on 28 Feb '22. Pictures of license plates blah blah. The Driver didn't see signage yet again as it was pitch black and we were late for a meal. I didn't respond to this letter.

Yesterday, I received a letter from Debt Recovery Plus, with the amount of £170.00 now owed. It's escalating again... They've also stated I have now lost the right to appeal as I hadn't responded in a timely manner.

Looking at those dates listed above, and taking PoFA 2012 into account, is this grounds to cancel the parking charge?

For those unaware, PoFA 2012 states that I must be informed within 14 days of the "offence"(with day one being the day AFTER the offence taking place).

by my calculations, if the "offence" was committed on the 6 Feb, they have until the 21 Feb to send the letter out; which is what the letter is dated. However, I received the letter and was informed 22 days after the "offence"!

They had 14 days to send this letter out, and they wait until the last possible moment?

Not my problem, cowboys!

Also, unless they pay for same-day-delivery, what are the chances of this letter getting to me within the 14 days I wonder?

Slim to none...

Thanks in advance. 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to smart Church Street, Amesbury - SMART PARKING LTD

Please use the same sticky you filled out last time and scan up bothsides of every letter to date to one mass pdf.

 

Dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Smart ANPR PCN - Church Street, Amesbury

That lateness of the PCN means that it is not PoFA compliant so that means that the alleged debt cannot be transferred from the driver to the keeper. 

It is important that the driver is not revealed to make it as difficult as possible for Smart to win.

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Good Evening,

This is a follow up from the below thread. 

I have now received a Letter Before Claim today (02/11/2022) from CST Law dated 06/10/2022, probably due to Postal strikes in my area stating that I have 30 days to respond.

Anything after that is pointless "because legal proceedings are likely to have begun".

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Scott

1 Date of the infringement 10/02/2022

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 21/02/2022

3 Date received 28/02/2022

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] Yes

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes

6 Have you appealed? [N]

Have you had a response? [N]

7 Who is the parking company? Smart Parking Ltd

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Church Street, Amesbury

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Thank you for confirming.

 

So now you need to look for a 'snotty letter' amongst our PPC threads. Have a look at our Parking Successes forum, any thread that mentions going to court is likely to include a snotty letter from the point when a LoC turned up.

 

You'll need to adapt it to your particular case, please post it here before you send it. The guys can also have a look at the information you just posted to see if Smart have made any mistakes so far.

 

HB

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just use our enhanced google search box

snotty letter

pop your idea up here 1st

and run the 30 days too, dont reply too early.

have you the org PCN as we dont have it up here?

read upload

scan bothsides to one PDF

dx

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Smart ANPR PCN Letter of Claim - Church Street, Amesbury

No I don't have the original, it had been so long without further correspondence that I'd stupidly assumed they'd given up.

I'll have to get this snotty letter in within the next few days to be compliant with their 30 days.

Would it be possible for you to copy and paste a good snotty letter please, so I've got something to go off.

I'm looking through these threads and there's a lot of posts to trawl through.

Thanks.

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as advised

simply type in smart snotty letter

in our enhanced google search box like below

 

clickme^^

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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CST Law,

Cheers for your Letter Before Claim. Adding financial stresses to an already milked-dry country is exactly what we need right now. I imagine you feel very proud representing a cowboy parking charge company leeching off a community of OAPs.

What's laughable is the fact you think I am going to part with my hard earned, much needed money so easily. I take orders from a County Court in these matters, not a cowboy parking company that passes the responsibility of collecting these invoices to third parties, in turn adding their own made up and illegal charges.

I dispute this parking charge notice on the grounds of signage being in an appalling state and extremely poorly lit, leading to them being missed. Due to it being late into the evening with no light, the driver missed the signage as it was poorly lit and covered in moss/debris. I can't imagine what Smart Parking Ltd spend their "hard earned money" on, but it is absolutely not on the upkeep of their properties. 

I also dispute the Notice to Keeper that was dated 21/02/2022. I didn't receive this invoice until 28/02/2022. This is 18 days after the alleged "offence". I was under the impression Smart Parking Ltd were a legitimate, professional company? Then when are they not complying with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012? As it clearly states in PoFA 2012, Schedule 4, paragraph 9, subsection (4):

The notice must be given by—

(a)handing it to the keeper, or leaving it at a current address for service for the keeper, within the relevant period; or

(b)sending it by post to a current address for service for the keeper so that it is delivered to that address within the relevant period.

This clearly states that the Notice to Keeper must have reached the keeper's hands within 14 days of the "offence"! Smart Parking Ltd failed to uphold their responsibilities set forth in PoFA 2012.

With the "offence" have allegedly being commited on 10/02/2022, and the letter being dated 21/02/2022, what exactly were Smart Parking Ltd doing about this evil, vindictive "offence" that took place on their property.

I know what they were doing; sat in their offices with their thumbs lodged firmly up one orifice in particular.

They dragged their feet, failed to get a NTK out in time. That's their problem and not mine/the keepers/the drivers.

I've got plenty of free time for the foreseeable future, so I am more than content in taking this matter, my photographic evidence of the state of the car park and the threatening letters I have had over the past 9 months to a County Court and let a trained professional deliver their verdict and outcome. 

I hope you can view this matter from my perspective, and come to your senses before this gets hauled infront of a judge and you make yourself look a complete fool, as well as a parasite on society.

"FULL NAME".

Any good? Any changes you'd make please? 

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The good news is that we have never seen Smart Parking dare take anyone to court.

 

However, on the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny off-chance that they do, it's best not to give away how you would defend the claim.  Therefore I'd cut out everything from "I dispute this parking charge notice" to "not mine/the keepers/the drivers".

 

Instead in that central part write something like "It's not my fault if your greedy clients are too tight to put 50p in the meter".  That hints at what you might do but doesn't play your cards too early.

 

Also write at the bottom "COPIED TO SMART PARKING LTD".

 

Invest in two 2nd class stamps tomorrow and send to both CST and Smart.

 

The likelihood is that you will never hear from the fleecers again afterwards, but if by some freak you do you can SAR them to get the original PCN.  However, it's probable from their previous here that they will crawl back under their stone.

 

 

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No, the sarcastic comment about them not putting money in the meter was meant to hint the signs were unilluminated, but of course without being specific.

 

The snotty letter is always a fine balancing act where you have to come up with something that shows their case is pants, without giving away how you would defend the case if they were daft enough to do court.

 

Your concluding paragraph mentions you have photographic evidence of the state of the car park so I thought the comments fitted in well.

 

BTW, in your second paragraph it should be "unlawful" rather than "illegal".

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