Should we trust Sunak or the next PM to fix the Country's problems? (title revised 24/10/22)

[lolerz]

Rishi Sunak will call general election for July in surprise move – sources | Rishi Sunak | The Guardian

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PM says he wants to hold summer poll after claiming inflation is back under control and economy is improving

Speculation right now but man I hope this is true.

[honeybee13]

I didn't see that one coming, lolerz. Bring it on!

[honeybee13]

4th July.

[theoldrouge]

Excellent get shot of this 14 year bunch of socialists 
Pound collapses Starmer Government with it in a couple of years 
then we can have a proper right wing government 
 

..  meanwhile flights to Rwanda fully booked for the last week in June 
 

and a Trump Presidency 
Lots to look forward to 

[unclebulgaria67]

Been saying for ages that it would be July, because the longer it went on before calling an election, the more annoyed voters would become.  Any Government becomes unpopular after more than 10 years in office.

[honeybee13]

I'm  just glad we don't have to listen to Sunak carrying on with the same old shtick until November or even January...

[honeybee13]

Sky's political correspondent was removed from the election launch and thrown out of the building. Good start to the campaign.

In other news, Steve Bray has been banned from a lot of streets near Parliament and No 10. Two people complained about him playing 'Things can only get better' while Sunak was making his announcement about the election. Under Braverman's new law/rules, this is all it takes.

Sky's political correspondent Darren McCaffrey is removed from Rishi Sunak's campaign launch event

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As he was being "forcibly removed" from the room, Darren said: "We just simply wanted to have access tonight, but unfortunately, we are told that...

[honeybee13]

Reaction on the timing of the GE from Rory Stewart and Alastair - 'total insanity'. 'Complete bewliderment' from Tory MPs.

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Going in July makes sense, because allowing more time for negative news to keep hammering the Tories would just reduce support for them further.

It flights to Rwanda had started in June or July 2024, but thousands were still crossing the channel, it would prove the deterrent policy was totally ineffective.  The weather during the summer is likely to mean more migrant crossings.

And having listened to some economic discussions on radio recently, the Government are building up more debts they have to pay interest on. So there was no room for tax cuts in an Autumn mini budget.

Governments go for quick elections if they believe the months ahead are likely to be worse for them.

[honeybee13]

So you don't agree with Rory Stewart and the Tory MPs he talked to, UB?

Another possible reason is that there have been rumours in the City recently about a large group of MPs wanting to get rid of Sunak. He's said previously that he would rather call and election than be ousted by the party.

I've even read this morning that a gang of MPs want to remove Sunak before next Thursday [dissolution of Parliament], put their man in and call off the election. One journo has mentioned that a lot of MPs thought they had another 6-7 months to get their lives in order and this timing doesn't suit them. They think Sunk is being selfish.

[honeybee13]

I've just seen this. According to the Times, the decision to call an election was taken a month ago.

So Sunak went on Loose Women, told everyone they could book their summer holidays and not worry - and lied.

Inside the cabinet debate where election decision was made

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[honeybee13]

Tory MPs didn't expect a July GE - and now they're furious.

Tory MPs didn’t expect a July general election – and now they are rightly furious | Henry Hill | The Guardian

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Sunak’s party has plunged into a short campaign without a plan, says Henry Hill, the deputy editor of ConservativeHome

 

[unclebulgaria67]

@honeybee13

yes don't agree with Rory and the MP's he had contact with. Rory said most of these would be stepping down and they most likely thought they would be OK until November.

For the reasons mentioned, as the year progresses, the Tories would be facing more crisis moments and bad news, so going now is best timing.

[honeybee13]

I think they'll be leaving a poisoned chalice for Labour, sadly.

[tobyjugg2]

.. Which the poops dont give a monkeys about as long as they stay in power to enable their real income from their rel employers, and sunak doesn't care about as hell be jogging off back to america

 

Starmer better get a handle on these second jobs and ban them for all MPs as a matter of prime urgency. Then stop all the oustanding crony payments and get the chargebacks going while he sorts out the country.

[honeybee13]

Meat smugglers using English vehicles to evade border checks - Farmers Weekly

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Criminal gangs are buying English-registered coaches and vans to smuggle large amounts of illegal meat into the country, Farmers Weekly has learned.

 

[lolerz]

General election 2024: Renters (Reform) Bill now unlikely to pass

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The Renters (Reform) Bill would have banned landlords from evicting tenants without a reason.

 

[unclebulgaria67]

Sunak dashed for July election because hopes of UK economic recovery are fading | General election 2024 | The Guardian

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Prime minister knows economy is likely to be in even worse shape by autumn or winter, but summer’s good news won’t impress a battered public

Agree with this article.  If the Tories could have held a tax cutting budget in Autumn 2024, they would not have gone for a July election. The economics are incredibly difficult for any party in Government. Massive debts have been piled up increasing the amount of interest being paid. I doubt the last National Insurance cut was really funded by funds available and relied on additional borrowing. And as Truss found out, borrowing to make tax cuts has consequences. 

[honeybee13]

There's lots of speculation in the weekend press about the timing of the election. One theory I could agree with is that it was a fit of pique because his charm offensive on voters hasn't made any difference at all with voters.

I can also buy into the theory that he has a job lined up in California. So the daughters finish the summer term in the UK, have the summer holidays to settle into the house in California and start school over there in September. He has to hope he gets his green card back.

I would love to see him lose the seat for Richmond but if he doesn't, what's he likely to do? Assuming the Tories don't win, is he going to resign as MP and let them have an immediate by-election or be a very part-time MP with a job 5,000 or so miles away?

[unclebulgaria67]

If the Tories lose and Sunak is still an MP, he would probably resign as leader of the Tories and as an MP. Before Parliament goes into recess for Summer, Government would pass relevant order for a by-election which would take place early September. 

Read an online prediction that the Tories could be down to less than 100 MP's.  I think it is more likely they will have between 150 to 200, as some voters might be concerned by giving Labour too big a majority and reducing Tories to a number that might take over 10 years to recover from.

[tobyjugg2]

Dont forget about half the previous so called NI 'tax cut (as if - tax shift and increase in actuality eh?) was funded (just the recent costs) from piling somewhere around 4 billion quid on top of the taxpayers existing record debt mountain and added a requirement to further cut services on top of that wasnt it?

So pile £4,000,000,000 extra debt on the taxpayers credit cars to give them a couple of quid ..

 

... and the 'draft of sunaks is just a plot with the hope of forcing 18 yos to work for free in the NHS and care industries isnt it?

- certainly doesn't do squat for the 18yo or a professional army that hasn't got the money to equip or train them.

 

 

[honeybee13]

Twitter has a fair few clips from Yes, Minister at the moment. Here's one on National Service.

 

[tobyjugg2]

Looks like sunak has been - watching them ...

(2 birds ..)

[tobyjugg2]

Late scramble for candidates

The Conservative Party, having been taken by surprise by its leader calling an election four months earlier than expected, still has to find 32 candidates in seats it currently holds, according to Michael Crick, who is keeping a tally.    If we assume that half of those will be lost, that means there are 16 safe Tory seats going for candidates favoured by party HQ, including, presumably, for Ric Holden, the Tory party chair, whose NW Durham seat has been abolished.        Lucy Allan, (CON) MP for Telford, who announced last year that she would be standing down, endorsed the Reform UK candidate in her seat – she was suspended as a Conservative for her last four days as an MP, until the dissolution of parliament on Thursday.     - Independent View from Westminster         and for the record ..   Rishi Sunak tells ITV “it’s just simply not true” that he is planning to leave the UK if he loses the election: “This is my home. I mean, my football team just got promoted back in the Premiership and I hope to be watching them for years to come in the Premier League”   Alongside all the tosh hes spinning on the defection trail - Sounds like hes looking to challenge Boris for his 'The Liar' award.

Edited May 27 by tobyjugg2

[honeybee13]

When did Sunak last go to watch Southampton play?

I'm not sure a lot of his MPs believe that he'll hang around if they lose. I don't either.