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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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No it was easy as Gary has done all the hard work for us. If you go to the sticky on "New stragey - CPR Part 18" it has all the details. I just cut and pasted it all into word, printed it, took to court with my £35, wait about a week for judges decision and bobs your uncle! Must admit I was so glad I didnt have to attend a hearing but would have. This is going to be the longest 2 weeks ever. Well except for between weeks 38 to 40 in pregnancy :D

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Abbey as quiet as a mouse so far.

 

Im ok but its like when you're at the dentist and you're sent back in the waiting room for your mouth to go numb. Feels like you're waiting for ever.

 

Anyway they have almost exactly 1 week to come up with the goods....

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oooooooooo Miss Inga Catherine Kirkman is going to absolutely HATE posting that cheque Fi LOL.

 

No more movement on my 3rd claim, the court - bless them - managed to loose the AQ cheque that i KNOW that i enclosed with the AQ and Abuse Order, so i have had to re issue the cheque, the most galling thing is that i double checked the envelope as that was the last thing that I wanted :mad:

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Ah..... see therein lies the problem...... you checked the envelope to within an inch of it's life, but you failed to check the cheque, in a checkered sort of way?

 

Have you checked to see if the original cheque was cashed?

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Ah..... see therein lies the problem...... you checked the envelope to within an inch of it's life, but you failed to check the cheque, in a checkered sort of way?

 

Have you checked to see if the original cheque was cashed?

 

yes 3 times now lol, have we lost the use of our Skype?

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oooooooooo Miss Inga Catherine Kirkman is going to absolutely HATE posting that cheque Fi LOL.

 

I wish I was a fly on the wall

 

No more movement on my 3rd claim, the court - bless them - managed to loose the AQ cheque that i KNOW that i enclosed with the AQ and Abuse Order, so i have had to re issue the cheque, the most galling thing is that i double checked the envelope as that was the last thing that I wanted :mad:

 

I smell Voo doo:lol:

 

No seriously what a bummer, it takes long enough without hiccups.

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Well Hi Guys,

 

Thought I would give you a bit of an update!

 

Abbey didnt respond to the CPR pt 18 order fromthe court so DEFENCE STRUCK OUT!!

 

 

WELL DONE FIONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

they've really put you through the wringer with your claim...........really pleased for you..............bet you can smell that cheque:) :)

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Ah thanks guys,

 

I thought I would be really excited when I got the news yesterday, but its been such an emotional rollercoaster journey that I really didnt expect, I just landed with a bump. Saving my energy for the cheque arriving, perhaps :-)

 

At the start of this I read that it wouldnt be easy or fast but worthwhile and I think that it was true to the word. I thought a few letters a bit of waiting and bobs your uncle.........

 

What I didnt expect was that I would learn sooo much, at times be soo excited I would burst and be soo low at others that I wanted to leave the country; I certainly didnt expect to get on the ten o clock news :-) or that I would gain soooooo much support from new found friends that have an amazing ability to pick you up and chuckle at the most frustrating times.

 

So thank you all, CharleyFarley, Robdblynd, Kia, Icy, Mariejader, Clarion, Noobrider, Boris Becca, Reka, DS (so hope I havent missed anyone). Special thanks to Lula who just makes me laugh out loud! and GaryH who is my superhero as without his suggestion I would be waiting until that Jan 2008 court date. He has earned his place in heaven in my eyes.

 

My lord, where did all that come from, it was like an oscar speech :-D

 

Didnt think I would ever say this but see you all in Round 2, charges since claim started, although think I will email the lovely Inga to see if she will just add them on to this cheque just to get rid of me. Not holding my breath though ;)

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oh Fi, that was lovely, Gary is going to be hell to live with now LOL only joking of course :-)

 

and i have to let you know that, despite what you said, you looked lovely on the news and i am going to get some more specs just like the ones that you were wearing !!

 

You deserve it all back and i am glad that you have it too!!! Please dont disappear you have valuable advice to give out and you will be very welcome always.

 

p.s. my second claim was for charges incurred during my 1st claim, I am sure that Inga will welcome you back with open arms lol she will need to buy some more pins though ;)

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You forgot world peace lol

 

really glad its worked out well for you, one thing that did cause me alarm the other day, when martin lewis was on the Tonight program again, he seemed to make out that claiming was really simple and effort free, people who have watched this will find it harder than we did as on here it is stressed that its not always a walk in the park, and does involve some hard work and plenty of studying and reading up, hope your ready for round 2 which WILL be simple after going through this claim lol

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Ah Lula....bless you.

 

Now down to the important stuff, the glasses!

 

Go on goggle4u.com I got the specs from there $26.99 with free delivery! (american website, glasses come from pakistan) Worked out at about £14 All you have to do is get your prescription but also ask for pupil distance (they dont give you that automatically) measure your own specs for size guide (you will see what I mean when you visit the site), pick your specs and put in details (carefully) the glasses come in 12 days or 4 days if you choose express delivery for another $12 (my last pair with express delivery came to £19.38) Single vision thats for. You can get stronger ones that I think are about $38

 

Got the address from moneysavingexpert website, i think its great. I have 3 paris of glasses now. You no longer have to wait a year before you can get another pair of specs! heaven!

 

One of the things Abbey drove me to when taking all my money :-) But it was a success!

 

ps try the code 4590 at checkout and you will get 5% discount (this might have expired but worth a try)

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oooo thanks Fi, thats wonderful, I shall take a look now, I dont think that my prescription has changed at all, so i shall make a choice and wait for the prescription, actually i just like going to see the optician, cos i have neen going there since they opened up in Asda and he is really sweet and we have a laugh :-)

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Well done Fi!!!!!:D Very well deserved. ;)

 

Have you entered judgement yet? If not, file an N225 -

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/n225_0406.pdf

 

Also, I would attach a schedule of costs at £9.25 per hour. Your in the fast track so you should get them as a matter of right.

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