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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Suggested letter to Excel parking
 

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Dear X X X

Letter of Claim


As you know, on the X X X date I served you with a Subject Access Request under the Data Protection Act. This requires you to make full disclosure of all personal data you hold on me within 30 days.

In the event, I received a disclosure of certain personal data from you but on examination of the file and having compared it also to my own experiences, subject access request from ELMS legal and also from the DVLA, it is clear that the data disclosure which you have provided to to me is incomplete.

I'm sure you must realise that my subject access request requires you to produce all data that you hold on me and therefore your partial disclosure puts you in breach of the Act.

I'm considering taking legal action against you. Your breach of your statutory duty was complete at the expiry of the 30 day time limit for providing full disclosure and so therefore you have no defence to a possible action.

However, I'm giving you a further 14 days to provide me with a full disclosure of personal data. If you feel that you have complied with the Act and provide me with all the data that you hold on me then please state this unequivocally in writing – although on the evidence that I have before me, it is clear that this is not the case.

 

I have already pointed out to you that I am a frontline worker involved in the fight against the corona virus crisis and so apart from being an unnecessary distraction, your failure to comply with your legal obligations towards me are exacerbating the level of distress which I'm experiencing in any event.

If I do not receive a full disclosure which you hold on me within 14 days then I shall begin a legal action against you in the County Court and without any further notice.

Yours sincerely

 


Maybe you would like to check this. Suggest any amendments – make corrections. Please let me know if you make any substantial changes.

Also please bear in mind that you are now giving them 14 days to comply and this means that if they do not comply then on day 15 you must issue the papers. If you do not intend to do this or if you have any doubts as to your time constraints then it may be better not to make the threat. Don't bluff. You will only lose credibility and bring comfort to the company.

However, I think it is time to show that they are dealing with somebody serious and who is prepared to assert control and so I would urge you to proceed.

If you're happy to go along with this then you should send the letter and then spend the next 14 days reading up the steps about bringing a small claim in the County Court. It's not difficult but it is worth understanding how it works because that will give you greater confidence.

Also, you should register with Moneyclaim online and start drafting your claim there – but post up your proposed particulars of claim here so that we can have a look. It doesn't need to be at all complicated and doesn't need any special form of words. You can save your work as you go along.

On day 15 click it off and send them the good news.


 

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Thanks, will get this all sorted and printed out this weekend. I'll send it off on Monday due to the bank holiday yesterday. 

 

That'll give me a clear two weeks to work with to read up on putting a claim forward, setting up accounts and getting a draft sorted! 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Backdoor Excel windscreed PCN CCJ - Acknowleged defective machine - given code to put on windscreen - SA1 carpark in Swansea

Any update on this please?

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Yes sorry, 

 

 

I sent off an email to the litigations department at excel yesterday. I also sent a recorded letter off from the post office too. I didn't fancy just sending a normal first class one. Should I have sent the letter to Excel's paralegal who was dealing with the issue also? 

 

Thanks 

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Thanks. Yes probably a good idea to get the paralegals attention as well.

Send everyone a copy – and then they can't pretend they didn't get it.

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I have just received the following response from the paralegal at Excel that I am dealing with:

 

 

Dear XXX, 

 
We can confirm that we have furnished you with all of the data we hold on file. 
 

Kind regards. 

 

 

I wasn't expecting such a quick response.

 

Thanks

 

 

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I think it will be worth while sending him a final letter explaining a few of the things which are clearly missing.

 

Dear X X X

Thank you for your confirmation that you have furnished me with all of the data which you hold on file. My records suggest very differently. For instance, there is no communication with ELMS legal to whom you sent the papers in order to bring an action against me.
I have received a statutory disclosure from ELMS legal which shows that there was communication between you but any evidence of this communication is missing from the disclosure which you gave me.

Also, there is no reference to the steps you took to ascertain my address in order to bring the legal action against me. Yet you brought a legal action against me and used an address.

 

Additionally, there is no correspondence or notes referring to the communication I had with the paralegal - Ambreen – save for a record of the communication in the log which was supplied – but no copies of the actual communications. Do you want to say that these communications have since been destroyed?

Do you want to have a further investigation or do you want to confirm that you are absolutely sure?

I hope you can see that I am bending over backwards to give you an opportunity to doublecheck that you have not breached your statutory duty to disclose all data. The evidence certainly suggest that you haven't.

Yours sincerely

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I think that we are getting close to the point where you are going to have to sue them for breach of contract and also for abuse of process.

The breach of contract would be on the basis that you had paid your money into the machine and done all you could have done in order to carry out your side of the bargain. On the other hand, they failed to carry out their side of the bargain in that they did not allow you to leave your vehicle undisturbed and they caused you serious problems for a considerable time afterwards.

The abuse of process would be that they then "sold" you a consent order for £155 as a means of enforcing the judgement and also in the belief that your concern was to clean up your credit file – but also when in fact it was clear that the judgement which they had obtained against you was unfair because the proceedings had been wrongly addressed and secondly because you had performed your side of the bargain.

Are you happy to go along that route?

 

We could tack on the breach of the SAR at the same time for a very modest additional amount of damages for the distress, say, £20.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to Backdoor Excel windscreen PCN CCJ - Acknowleged defective machine - given code to put on windscreen - SA1 carpark in Swansea

OK - but the second letter was only sent a day ago.  Let's see if there is any response by the weekend

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By the way, in addition to no evidence as to how they came by the incorrect address, can you remind me – is there any evidence in the statutory disclosure of attempts to correspond with you in relation to the penalty charge and is there any evidence in the statutory disclosure that they attempted to comply with the pre-action protocol by giving you notice of a forthcoming legal action?

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Just gone back through the SAR

 

On the 20th October 2016 there is a letter addressed to my correct address outlining the appeal procedure. 

 

The next correspondence was on the 04/11/2016 - 'Notice to the keeper/driver'. This was to the amalgamated/incorrect address. 

 

In the space between those 14 days between letters the address change. There is no reference in the SAR that would explain where this amalgamated address came from except for an event titled 'Ticket address updated'. 

 

In regards to any attempts made by Excel to comply with pre-action protocol, there are no scanned documents/letters that were sent to me. The only thing that may be relevant is again in the events log - 30/12/2019, prelegal issued. It doesn't indicate that any letters were sent out. 

 

Thanks 

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both of those would indicate changes to their perceived correct address then.

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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wouldn't bother

but it gives you more ammo that they did change things - and that is critical to how you might not have received important docs etc

more against them.

 

 

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I suppose that you will find at some point – but it certainly looks as if they obtained the correct address from somewhere – DVLA – and then somehow or other made the mistake themselves.

What you have found is excellent evidence that – and that is what we are looking for.

This strongly suggests that their error which resulted in any correspondence, any pre-action protocol and any claim documents being sent to the wrong address – which once again is evidence that the default judgement was manifestly unfair – apart from the fact that you had paid the money for the car parking anyway.

The fact that they are now standing by their initial statutory disclosure suggests very strongly that there was no other correspondence to you including no pre-action protocol – not even to the incorrect address.

They are either going to have suddenly to produce those documents and then admit that they breached the statutory disclosure – or else they are going to have to stand by their position that the disclosure is complete and that they did not comply with any pre-action protocols.

Either way, they've made a mistake

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Quick update, I received this email today off of Excel's paralegal regarding the incomplete SAR:

 

We maintain our position that we have provided you with full disclosure and will not engage in any further communication in this regard. 
 
As you had been emailing myself, you had full disclosure of the email communication already and hence why copy emails were not provided to you in our response to your SAR. 
 
Please note that we do not hold copies of the communication between yourself and Elms Legal as this was sent to you from them directly, and not from ourselves.
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks. Of course I had forgotten that ELMS legal are involved. Did they satisfy any of the pre-action protocol? Does their SAR contain any evidence of correspondence or letters of claim?

 

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There should be evidence in the sar that the PPC instructed elms to issue a letter before claim, as a solicitor acting for a client should not act with impunity.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes, I think you should drop ELMS legal an email and tell them that you are concerned that the SAR disclosure which they made on X X X date may not be complete because it doesn't seem to contain anything relating to instructions which they received from their client Excel and it doesn't contain any evidence of any correspondence or any compliance with the pre-action protocol before they launched the legal action.

Tell them that on that basis, that they should confirm that the file is complete and that this correspondence did not occur – or else you will have to assume that the disclosure is not complete

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Okay, I will fire an email off to ELMS this evening. 

 

Is there a chance Excel would have used a different solicitor aside from ELMS to issue prelegal documents? There's nothing alluding to this in the SAR

 

Thanks 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Unlikely, but if they have then they should certainly be reference to it in their SAR disclosure

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