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    • I found that the parkin attended has a car with CCTV camera on it, however as I stated earlier, it seems that he did not take video of my car otherwise they would have stated so in the SAR. parking car .pdf
    • The rules state that "approved devices may only be used in limited circumstances"  I was not a threat. I was not present. I did not drive away. I think he has not fulfilled the necessary requirements justifying issuing me a PCN by post therefore the PCN was issued incorrectly and not valid.  What are your thoughts?  
    • I have also found this:  D.2 Service of a PCN by post: 54) There are some circumstances in which a PCN (under Regulation 10) may be served by post: 1) where the contravention has been detected on the basis of evidence from an approved device (approved devices may only be used in limited circumstances) 2) if the CEO has been prevented, for example by force, threats of force, obstruction or violence, from serving the PCN either by affixing it to the vehicle or by giving it to the person who appears to be in charge of that vehicle 3) if the CEO had started to issue the PCN but did not have enough time to finish or serve it before the vehicle was driven away and would otherwise have to write off or cancel the PCN 55) In any of these circumstances a PCN is served by post to the owner and also acts as the NtO. The Secretary of State recommends that postal PCNs should be sent within 14 days of the contravention. Legislation states that postal PCNs must be sent within 28 days, unless otherwise stated in the Regulations. This from London Councils Code of Practice on Civil Parking Enforcement.  The question is what is an approved device? Certainly, he had the opportunity to place the ticket on my car and I didn't drive away.  I looked further and it seems that an approved device is a CCTV camera - It seems that the photos taken were not actual film but images and it is not clear if they are taken from a video or are stills. I'm guessing if it was moving images then the SAR would have stated this.    From the Borough of Hounslow website: "There are two types of PCN issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004, which governs parking contraventions. The first is served on-street by a Civil Enforcement Officer, who will observe a vehicle and collect evidence before serving the PCN either by placing it in a plastic wallet under the windscreen wiper, or by handing it to the driver. The second is a PCN served by post, based on CCTV footage taken by an approved device, which has been reviewed by a trained CCTV Operator."   From Legislation.gov.uk regarding approved devices: Approved Devices 4.  A device is an approved device for the purposes of these Regulations if it is of a type which has been certified by the Secretary of State as one which meets requirements specified in Schedule 1. SCHEDULE 1Specified requirements for approved devices 1.  The device must include a camera which is— (a)securely mounted on a vehicle, a building, a post or other structure, (b)mounted in such a position that vehicles in relation to which relevant road traffic contraventions are being committed can be surveyed by it, (c)connected by secure data links to a recording system, and (d)capable of producing in one or more pictures, a legible image or images of the vehicle in relation to which a relevant road traffic contravention was committed which show its registration mark and enough of its location to show the circumstances of the contravention. 2.  The device must include a recording system in which— (a)recordings are made automatically of the output from the camera or cameras surveying the vehicle and the place where a contravention is occurring, (b)there is used a secure and reliable recording method that records at a minimum rate of 5 frames per second, (c)each frame of all captured images is timed (in hours, minutes and seconds), dated and sequentially numbered automatically by means of a visual counter, and (d)where the device does not occupy a fixed location, it records the location from which it is being operated. 3.  The device and visual counter must— (a)be synchronised with a suitably independent national standard clock; and (b)be accurate within plus or minus 10 seconds over a 14-day period and re-synchronised to the suitably independent national standard clock at least once during that period. 4.  Where the device includes a facility to print a still image, that image when printed must be endorsed with the time and date when the frame was captured and its unique number. 5.  Where the device can record spoken words or other audio data simultaneously with visual images, the device must include a means of verifying that, in any recording produced by it, the sound track is correctly synchronised with the visual image.
    • Hearing took place today.  Case dismissed with costs awarded. Neither UKPC or a representative turned up.  Apparently they messaged the court on 7 May asking for their case to be considered on paper.  Never informed me, which was criticised by the judge as not following procedure.  I was really annoyed as I would have preferred for the case to be thrown out before the hearing, or at least face them in court and see them squeal.   They are just playing a numbers game and hope you blink 1st!   Ended up having to change my flight, but  the costs awarded softens the blow. Was asked to confirm it was my signature on both the witness statement and supplementary statement.  Wasn't asked to read them, said she could see my arguments made and the signs were insufficient and no contract formed. Took maybe 10 mins in total.  Judge did most of the talking and was best for me just to keep quiet or confirm any statements made. Happy to have won as a matter of principle and have costs awarded. Maybe not worth all the time and hassle for any newbies or the technologically challenged.  But if you are stubborn like me and willing to put in the time and effort, you can beat these vultures! I big shout out to everyone who helped on the thread with their advice and guidance, special mention to FTMDave, thank you sir!  Really appreciate everyone's efforts. All the best!
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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6 hours ago, Manxman in exile said:

As unclebulgaria says (#21) any accusation of sexual harassment has to be taken seriously by the employer.  This does not mean that the employer automatically has to believe it.  It means the employer has to investigate it properly and not assume guilt or innocence

 

I am perhaps a little surprised that your BiL hasn't been suspended on full pay(?).  Again, suspension does not mean that the employer thinks your BiL is guilty, it helps them to be able to show that they've investigated the accusations fully and your BiL has had no opportunity to affect the investigation - not that he would.  Is the person making the allegations still at work or are they currently suspended?

 

I think you've only mentioned a disciplinary meeting for your brother?  Hasn't he also been invited to an investigatory meeting for him to put his side of what did or did not happen?  They can't discipline anybody until they've investigated, and any investigation must, I would have thought, be incomplete until your brother (and any witnesses he may have) have had their say.

 

When it comes to a disciplinary meeting (if it does) I understand he is entitled to be accompanied by a union rep or a work colleague.  If I'm wrong, someone will correct me.

 

As you've not answered the question, I assume he's not in a union.  After this is over, he should join one.  (Well I would...)

The accuser submitted the information last week and hasn’t had her formal hearing yet 

 

With regards to suspension- I have read  it can be seen as an non neutral act and can be challenged - is this correct ? He is desperately trying to keep BAU as is very worried if he is suspended his reputation. Will damaged without repair ( guilty until prove innocent) 

 

Unfortunately not part of a union and my advice will be to join one. I assume you can’t join one half way through ? He has only been told off the record , not formally  I don’t think - so could he still join if he hasn’t been invited to a grievance hearing yet. 

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5 minutes ago, Emmzzi said:

 

If you don't want to listen - I don't want to respond. Good luck.

Sorry I posted that in error - I am not great with my phone !! I have been using your advice as a guide and really do want to listen ! 😊

please don’t cut off comms as I feel your really supporting - I’m still learning how to respond individually to people and somehow copied that to reply to my last comment ( you will see in how I replied I think ? ) 

hope you can agree

my question. About non neutral act of suspension - I would love your opinion 

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2 minutes ago, honeybee13 said:

I would say that joining a union part way through the process is like taking out insurance after you've had a car accident. I believe unions usually have a waiting period before you can ask for help.

 

HB

That makes sense - similar to taking out holiday cover prior to travel in this market ! 
 

hope I can still get responses from the HR expert after my error ! 😐 ( genuine mistake - I have shelved the idea of counter grievance and defamation following this advice ) 

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Reasons a business may legitimately consider suspension are:-

a.there is a risk to an employee’s health or safety

b.the employee could tamper with evidence or we believe they may try and influence witnesses
c.property, or the business of the organisation, may be damaged
d.working relationships have broken down
 
If it is mooted, he should clarify which of these is being suggested.
 
Then, alternatives should be considered..
- temporary transfer
- working from home
- change of duties/ role
- change of work schedule to eradicate flashpoints 
 
Under current circumstances, working from home should not even raise an eyebrow, case wise (possibly health wise, but people are going to speculate)
 

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1 hour ago, Emmzzi said:

Reasons a business may legitimately consider suspension are:-

a.there is a risk to an employee’s health or safety

b.the employee could tamper with evidence or we believe they may try and influence witnesses
c.property, or the business of the organisation, may be damaged
d.working relationships have broken down
 
If it is mooted, he should clarify which of these is being suggested.
 
Then, alternatives should be considered..
- temporary transfer
- working from home
- change of duties/ role
- change of work schedule to eradicate flashpoints 
 
Under current circumstances, working from home should not even raise an eyebrow, case wise (possibly health wise, but people are going to speculate)
 

 The accuser works in a different office and is already under remote working due to the current situation .

 

the accuser has already been given a diff line manager whilst this is being looked into 

 

would that suffice to mitigate the risk in point a ( the accusers health and safety ) 

and the other key points potentially could not apply as there are no witnesses to confirm or deny allegation ? 
 

I will know more today as it unfold 

 

thanks again 

 

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I personally would not suspend under those circumstances. Although, I do only have your second hand account of events, so no guarantees!

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7 hours ago, Emmzzi said:

I personally would not suspend under those circumstances. Although, I do only have your second hand account of events, so no guarantees!


As an update , they have yet to confirm when the grievance hearing  to take place - they think it’s Friday 

 

However  when my BIL asked for the  allegations against him , and the grievance /allegations in writing he was told he wasn’t able to see them until the day of the investigation- is this allowed ? He has no time to collate any evidence  or Defense . 

No mention of suspension , but odd behaviour from his boss , who he feels wants him to resign to save any headaches . Asking questions about previous meetings he has had  to corroborate where he has spent his time ( never happened before ) and scheduled a meeting tomorrow for 5.39pm which has never happened ( and BIL ) usually leaves at 5.30pm

as has childcare commitments .

 

His boss has also talked off the record about having to stop a guaranteed bonus that BIL has had for over a year but has positioned because of Corona. BIL has said previously he was worried about the his bonus ever being stopped as it would mean he need to look for another job to his boss  , he was assured that this wouldn’t happen unless of extraordinary circumstances ( this is now being classed as because of corona virus )  it all points to trying to exit him to save any payout to accuser

 

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It's an investigation meeting, not a disciplinary. Think of it as a fact find. He won't get details in advance as some people use the time to make up their story.

 

BIL may be reading too much into boss's actions. It really is an awful time to be in business! And easy to get paranoid over trivia. My boss has asked for late meetings today because of government announcements. She's too distracted to remember which of us have kids to collect! We will also have to have drastic cost saving measures. No bonuses isn't the half of it.

 

Don't look for malice.

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4 minutes ago, Emmzzi said:

It's an investigation meeting, not a disciplinary. Think of it as a fact find. He won't get details in advance as some people use the time to make up their story.

 

BIL may be reading too much into boss's actions. It really is an awful time to be in business! And easy to get paranoid over trivia. My boss has asked for late meetings today because of government announcements. She's too distracted to remember which of us have kids to collect! We will also have to have drastic cost saving measures. No bonuses isn't the half of it.

 

Don't look for malice.


Makes Sense - he is in such shock that I think he’s thinking worse case scenario in everything - although when talking to his boss he did reiterate about “what do you think the accuser will do when this doesn’t go her way - she won’t go away quietly “

 

Will he be required to comment on  Record re the accusations at the hearing or will he get another chance to provide evidence / disregard accusers story ?

 

its not an easy time for anyone , so I agree pay-cuts/bonus reductions  will be necessary for businesses to stay afloat

 

thanks again - super helpful advice 🙂

 

 

 

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He'll be required to explain what happened from his perspective. The investigator will them compare statements and any other evidence, and decide if there is a case to hear. If there is reasonable doubt/ belief, there will then be a hearing.

 

He should dispassionately present the timeline, including conflict of interest/ meeting conversation, etc. 

 

Given today's news I would be amazed if anything happens this week.

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1 hour ago, Emmzzi said:

He'll be required to explain what happened from his perspective. The investigator will them compare statements and any other evidence, and decide if there is a case to hear. If there is reasonable doubt/ belief, there will then be a hearing.

 

He should dispassionately present the timeline, including conflict of interest/ meeting conversation, etc. 

 

Given today's news I would be amazed if anything happens this week.

 
Will keep you updated 

 

thank you 😊 

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Hi

 

Still waiting on an outcome of hearing , but really keen to understand a diff perspective regarding changing contracts 

 

The company have changed a number of factors within BIL contract , without him signing anything ( to be fair the whole company has ) 

He has been moved from a months notice period to a zero hours contract without signing a new contract 

Also sick pay revoked and moved to SSP 

 

is this lawful ? Can they evoke any clauses without BIL  signing anything ? 
the company is in dire straits - so I appreciate the money situation is extremely tight, but I want to check if they can enforce this.

 

thanks 

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No, it's not lawful. The question is, if he sues, is there going to be anything which which to pay him?

 

More here

 

https://www.acas.org.uk/changing-an-employment-contract

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I did think it was a risky gamble - announced to whole business they could invoke a clause in the contract.

 

With the knowledge that potentially in 1 or 2 months times that there will be no business . 
 

 

risky strategy but I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures 

 

he said he will contact ACAS tomorrow

 

thanks  ( as ever ) for the speedy reply 😊

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No worries. I wish I could offer more but I’ve spent the week balancing ethics/cash/legal consideration at my own company.

 

i have no good answers. Right now, every option sucks.

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9 hours ago, Emmzzi said:

No worries. I wish I could offer more but I’ve spent the week balancing ethics/cash/legal consideration at my own company.

 

i have no good answers. Right now, every option sucks.

You have been great and the support from

you and this forum has been so invaluable- thank you  

 

It’s a very tricky world to navigate and businesses have to make decision that may not always be ethical, but necessary to keep trading .

 

Hopefully we all make through this challenging time without too many awful decisions .

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