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IMHO i'd be complaining to stepchange that these creditors are charging interest when in all truth you thought the idea of involving them [stepchange] mean that interest was to be stopped.

 

are all you debts still with the original creditors and what was the takeout date of each credit.

 

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the date you took what ever you are in debt with now...

 

wetcloth never buy debts only chased for clients.

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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dump them

you don't need any type of DMP, BK, DRO iva or whatever.

 

you start again and do it yourself.

 

it them put YOU in control NOt the creditors nor any DMP provider...

 

look in the debt collection section of our library top tool bar.

 

send each creditor the letter that offers £XX for xxMTS

IF they freeze interest & penalty charges.

for any that refuse

you send the other letter that says..sorry you rejected my offer

but all you will get now is £1PCM till I die.

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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not been reading around..

 

you'll see OC's never do court...

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

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and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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all your debts are with them still

so .....

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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don't want bad publicity...

 

dx

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no bailiffs cant do anything on consumer debt other than wave their arms

and they can NEVER get involved until you LOSE a court case and fail to arrange something within 28 days.

 

please list ALL your debts

 

original creditor

type of credit

when taken out

outstanding balance

is this on your/her credit file

what is the defaulted date

last payment date

if now with a DCA name them please

 

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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tell me more about these

 

On clearscore it shows them as closed accounts (2017) and the amount as of today is:-

 

Cabot £10,995

Cabot £2,424

Intrum UK £1,156

PRA £1,108

PRA £2,427

Link Financial £1,597

are/were you paying them thru PP?

 

if so send each one a CCA request.

 

as for the other consumer debts.

 

Argos £850

Very £1000

Littlewoods £3,800 (half of that is BNPL) so if they took the interest off it would be £1900

 

send them this:

 

offer them £5?PCM

 

as for

Likely Loans £1,600 (£3559) with interest (took this loan out in December 18)

start a new topic in the payday loan general section. [click create in the top red banner]

 

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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and don't waste money on recorded delivery!!

2nd class stamp is good enough.

 

if you wish to do a budget sheet that's upto you

but never fill out theirs.

 

and again if you want to send creditors that, its upto you

but you do not have to give them any of your pers financial info

NONE of their business esp a DCA!!

only a judge can demand that info.

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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wetcloths don't buy debts they only chase for their stated client...the recipient of your CCA not wetcloths.

link ARE debt buyer so they get the CCA request on that debt now

 

you DO NOT blindly set up any payment plans to ANY fleecing DCA without a CCA return that proves enforceable here

yes you'll get a whole forest through your door

but that's the idea.

it will get YOU upto date with whom owns what debt

then we'll deal with each debt as the paperwork comes or not mores the case!!

 

dx

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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on the ones that are not owned by dca's yes pay what you said and when you said

if they write back create a new topic [hit create up the top in the red banner] in the named forum for the original creditor for that debt lets start getting things split off else it will be a nightmare .

 

never use email!! 

use royal mail 2nd class post is ok unless CCA request then use 1st class with free proof of posting from any po counter.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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debts owned by DCA's CCA request

debts owned still by the original creditors ..offer payment

use the cag letters already pointed to

 

dx

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just type don't hit quote..

 

there is a diff

 

ultimately pre 2007 must be a copy with sig

post 2007 maybe not

to be enforceable 

but we'll advise when you get them back..or if!!

 

but don't worry about that kinda stuff yet.

 

follow carefully the advice given on what to do for OC/DCA owned debts

then we'll deal with the forest as it comes.

but please do as post 13 if you have anything specific to do with any one debt

 

dx

 

 

 

 

 

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I would do as you say 

pay by bacs not card nor so.

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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if establishments or creditors have your card number

yes they could use them

 

phone your bank and tell them to cancel any open continuous Payment arrangements showing 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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nothing.

wetcloths are are only gophers.

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no, their clients. should they ever make contact.

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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and Themis Recoveries are a ??

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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yes ignore dca's

 

dont chase..No.... have you made the promised payment?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just use bacs as I said

that way its not permanent

if you are short one month due other priority debts tough luck to them.

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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1 hour ago, finaldj said:

Just an update to this thread.

 

Likely Loans have taken my offer of £5 a month payment for 6 months to be reviewed in 6 months time. - good, check if they stop int, if not send the 2nd letter

 

Argos have refused an offer of £5 a month instead they want me to fill out a financial assessment form so that they can then discuss what payments to make? - no none of their business. check if they stop int, if not send the 2nd letter

 

Very/Littlewoods have so far not responded to the letter I sent which was the same date as Argos however I do have account details to setup payments for a standing order so should I do this or wait for a response back first? - abide by your offers. check if they stop int, if not send the 2nd letter

 

Westcot have now taken on the debt for HBOS from link financial (which says working on behalf of HBOS) - wetcloths don't buy debts, they act for their stated clients and if these are link - then CCA request time.

 

Westcot have also taken a debt on for £2,407 it doesn't say what its for just that they are working on behalf of Cabot ( i assume its the Natwest debt) -  - wetcloths don't buy debts, they act for their stated clients and if these are link - then CCA request time.

 

Intrum have taken on the Tesco Debt - you mean you've had a notice of assignment or they state their clients are the OC?

 

and Cabot have taken on the 11k Zopa loans debt - - you mean you've had a notice of assignment or they state their clients are the OC?

 

Other than likely loans responding to me and me setting up a payment to them I haven't done anything with the other debts yet (other than writing to argos and Very/littlewoods, likey loans)

 

 

I'm off work Wednesday so want to clear everything up so I know where I am

 

I'm confused between who a DCA is and who the others are and who I should ignore and who I shouldn't? and should I do a CCA request if they work on behalf of?

 

Cabot

 

Intrum

 

Westcot

 

PRA group (they just call they haven't sent any letters out yet)

 

Ok I just found out that Cabot bought westcot in 2017.

 

 

 

 

 

 

cabot did not buy wetcloths.

 

so as above.

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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17 hours ago, finaldj said:

From one of the letters Cabot sent me they are the owners of the Zopa loans debt for 11k left owing so I will CCA them

 

The natwest account appears to be owned by Cabot but is managed by westcot so do I CCA Cabot? - yes

 

Intrum have the tesco debt and bought it from them in 2018 so will CCA them

 

I will setup payment plans for the others.

 

Is it just a letter for a CCA request or is there a small payment needed as well?

 

 

click cca request and read all the posts.

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Ignore their waffle

stop filling out i&e sheets

Just pay them what you said by bacs and when you said

 

 

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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block and bounce back emails

 

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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no.

 

is DX the only clue?

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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