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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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you really shouldn't change address without writing in some form..even if its a cca request to each owner of your listed debts

else as you've found they'll go for a backdoor ccj.

 

 

you've the ccj number

give northants bulk a ring Monday and ask for a copy of the ccj.

then go from there.

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Hi dx, the thing is I don't have any debts that have been actively chasing me, I literally have no idea what it could be.

It is listed on my file as 3rd April so will there be anything I can do about it?

 

Or more importantly is there anything that will happen with it, I've read somewhere that you have 14 days to deal with it after judgement.

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As my post already

 

If you move and didn't have mail redirect

Then your details could have been used by a fraudster etc

Or the next person to move in

 

Dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi dx,

 

the judgement is from parking eye for parking tickets,

I guess it's a case of pay it,

 

 

but the thing that irks me is that they were writing to me at my current address yet they've taken me to court at a previous address.

 

Not exactly fair really no chance to defend it.

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hey great we got there.

moved to the private parking forum and re titled.

 

so I gather you didn't update DVLA then...oppss...

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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they do this on purpose, an abuse of process to get the CCJ.

 

You can challenge it by paying to have the matter set aside and if it is found they knew your new address and issued a summons to the old one they will pick up the bill for their troubles.

 

Speak to the issuing court first,

you may not have to pay the set aside fee as they have knowingly acted in bad faith.

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no, it isnt a risk really as they have abused the process so that part is easy.

 

At the moment you have a massive blot on your credit file that will stay there for 6 years.

If you lose the PE claim on the rematch you then pay the money ordered and you don't get a CCJ.

 

If you never want to buy anything on credit or get a mortgage then you can sit it out

but if you want a loan, new mobile phone, move house, open a B&Q clubcard account or any of the myriad of things that has people searching your credit files

then you can just pay the £350 to PE and have done with it.

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You need to prove they knew your new address

And a defence for the tickets issued

 

And that would be?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Guess I'm paying them then......I don't mind having to actually pay them, I was negotiating payment with them, then they stopped replying.

And then they go and get a CCJ at an old address. That's the bit I think is out of order.

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the amount claimed will include legal costs they never incurred because they slap this on automatically.

 

As you were negotiating with them this suggests that you have admitted that you were either contractually obliged to pay or that you admitted breaching the contract offered.

 

ultimately this will destroy most defences you can offer except where they were breaking the law so no contract could be lawfully entered into.

 

Lack of Planning Permission is the usual reason for this,

read up on it before deciding what you want to do

 

but make a decision quickly or they will employ a bailiff to collect the money and that will add another £70+ to the bill already due

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Court bailiff so don't worry and of course no right of entry or anything

Simply ignore them

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi all

 

I had a ccj taken out and judgement awarded in default as I they used a prior address.

 

 

I don't want to challenge the actual ccj but I've offered the owner to clear the balance over 12 months and they want it clearing over 4.

 

I'm about to enter a dmp with stepchange and literally cannot afford the 100 a month they are asking for.

 

They do say at the bottom of the letter I can apply to vary the order for a charge of a 100 quid,

is this correct as the only fee I can find is £50.

 

If I make a realistic offer do they have to accept or can they apply for enforcement?

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N245 yes vary the judgement order

 

 

ever looked at the original debt to see if you can offset anything by reclaiming.

 

 

who got the CCJ

and what was the debt all about?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't make multiple threads on the same issue

threads merged.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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eric will pop in soon.

 

 

dx

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I answered this when you posted it elsewhere but my reply has gone

 

Are you claiming benefits?

if so the fees are waived so you may as well go the whole hod and ask for the set aside on the basis of abuse of process. there is a form you have to fill in as well as the N244 or N245 and it will delay things a little.

 

 

If you go down this route you may as well tell PE that you have applied for the set aside as they deliberately sent out the court papers to the wrong address and you will seek a recovery of costs as well as the set aside fee for their abuse of the Civil Procedure.

 

 

Once they see that they are going to lose more than they gain I'm sure that they will agree to a suitable settlement.

 

 

Make sure that the £50 solicitors costs are knocked off the bill as they didnt spend the money as it was a default judgement.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi all

 

I had a ccj taken out and judgement awarded in default as I they used a prior address.

 

I don't want to challenge the actual ccj but I've offered the owner to clear the balance over 12 months and they want it clearing over 4.

 

I'm about to enter a dmp with stepchange and literally cannot afford the 100 a month they are asking for.

 

They do say at the bottom of the letter I can apply to vary the order for a charge of a 100 quid,

is this correct as the only fee I can find is £50.

 

If I make a realistic offer do they have to accept or can they apply for enforcement?

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Hi ericsbrother

I'm not claiming benefits

I just cannot afford the payment they are asking for.

 

 

I've told them I didn't receive the court papers,

and offered to clear the balance over 12 months,

 

 

they haven't sent me any paperwork just a very curt email stating they want paying over 4 months and if I want to vary the order the cost will be £100.

 

I'm going with stepchange into a DMP

I appreciate that this is my fault and have offered a realistic payment based on my circumstances but they want what they want and that's that.

 

Seems ridiculous to offer a payment based on situation and have it rejected only to be told that to ask the court to vary it will cost that money which could go to them to clear it off.

 

Are there any template letters I could use?

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remission of fees also applies to low incomes

get the from and see if your income is low enough to be applicable.

 

I wouldnt be so accepting of my fate over this,

take hold of the matter rather than playing the victim card.

 

You have a good chance of getting them to discontinue after you get the set aside

as their costs will be more than the value of the claim.

 

More importantly you dont get a great big blot on your credit record.

All of this means pulling your finger out though,

 

be proactive rather than passive.

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EX160 etc

in the legal section of the library

 

hope you 've sent CCA request s to all the other people you are paying via stepchange??

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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