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I think that if the question being asked is

What is the best course of action when trying to decide if the creditor has in his possession an agreement which is compliant with section 127 of the act, then a SAR is just the job, because you are asking if they have a signed agreement or document, a DPA request will produce one if they have it.

 

If you are trying to go for temporary unenforceable under section 78 then you need to send a CCA request.

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I will be discussing this with the person who has given me this information when I get back.

 

 

It appears that only the signature page MAY constitute personal data.

Also there is bugger all anyone can do if a creditor refuses to supply a CCA apart from appealing to FOS but given the time scale FOS work to the matter is probably all over.

 

 

Time for a food fest!!!

 

If you want to continue flogging this particular horse, then feel free. I have contributed to many forms and still do, and this "issue" has never arisen, people who want to know if a signed agreement document exists send an SAR request, simple as that, the suggestion that personally signed material may somehow not represent personal data, is purely the result of an aberration of one poster on here and, to borrow a phrase, has no merit :).

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Very well said.

 

Anyone can word a question to achieve the outcome they want and i suspect that is what has happened here.

 

 

 

 

If you want to continue flogging this particular horse, then feel free. I have contributed to many forms and still do, and this "issue" has never arisen, people who want to know if a signed agreement document exists send an SAR request, simple as that, the suggestion that personally signed material may somehow not represent personal data, is purely the result of an aberration of one poster on here and, to borrow a phrase, has no merit :).
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A question was asked and I made inquires of the regulator for DPA 1998 and received a reply and posted it here.

So dodgeballs appears to be saying that the answers given are an aberration of the poster i.e the person who have the answers, being the case worker at the ICO who promptly answered questions asked.

 

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Just to explore this further I attach an agreement.

 

I can promise that the blacked out portions have the applicant's name and address details which were correct and the bit at the bottom contained the applicant's signature. The T&Cs were on the back of this document, there was no separate booklet, additional pages and the like.

 

Opinions please...personal data or not personal data?

 

 

 

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Sorry IMS missed this query. Yes personal data it would have to be it has the name of the data subject on it.

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its personal data, the data subject can be identified and the contents i.e. the contractual obligations, are concerned with what effects the individual data subject (payments, interest rates etc). Any suggestion that its not personal data because others may be contracted to the same terms is an illogical argument. This is the personal contract of the data subject.

 

The next question is whether its in a relevant filing system. Looks like a microfiche copy to me, lf so, yes it is.

 

This thread has been complicated by talking about the disclosure of documents and in particular, CCA docs. Completely wrong question. The DPA is about personal data in a relevant filing system so of course the ICO are going to say actual docs aren't covered.

 

So just as you may not receive actual credit card statements, unless on microfiche, you would receive the info on those statements which would include the %interest charged, despite the fact this may be the same generic rate everyone pays.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dodge makes valid points, s.7 prescribes 'description' not a physical facsimile of a document.

 

Esp since the advent of electronic signatures could a data controller respond with a statement of perhaps...

 

At 1st jan 2014 Mr smith of 123 cag street electronically signed shysters bank credit card agreement 12345678, that agreement being subject to the bog standard terms available at http://www.wescrewu.com

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A question was asked and I made inquires of the regulator for DPA 1998 and received a reply and posted it here.

So dodgeballs appears to be saying that the answers given are an aberration of the poster i.e the person who have the answers, being the case worker at the ICO who promptly answered questions asked.

 

 

 

 

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I never have a problem with information.

The reply posted by you simply agrees with everything we have been trying to tell you, your perception is (as usual) distorted by your intransigence and failure to modify an incorrectly preconceived notion.

 

You say admin do your worst. Well there is nothing admin can do, it is up to you. Personally I think you make many useful posts on here, but you sometimes get things wrong(as we all do), the problem is that you are a prolific poster and telling people that they cannot get a copy of their data in regard to a consumer contract, because it is just that, is just fundamentally incorrect, and may result in people who come on here for help being misinformed. The request is not about CCA agreements, it is about personal data.

You should step back and reconsider your position on this in view of the evidence provided viewed in a logical and dispassionate way.

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No the DPA entitles an individual to receive a copy of the information held about themselves. This is not the same as having right to receive copies of documents held. Therefore as long as the information contained with in an agreement is provided this is likely to fulfil their obligations under the DPA.

 

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As an aside. There is provision within the request to ask for associated documentation, so the applicant could ask for associated terms that may not be included within the relevant file as being directly "personal data", although they would not in some cases be under a statutory obligation to supply it I suspect that in most they would, unless the information is particularly hard to retrieve.

 

THe main point here that most have picked up is that we re talking about data not documents. ]

 

An agreement is not personal data, a birth certificate is not, a driving license is not, not until the data subjects information is put on it. It is the content which is the data and it is this, as the ICO say, which must be provided.

 

So if you want to know what data relating to you and your agreement is held you should send an sar.

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I have just received my DSAR pack . No agreement supplied. I would like to explore the possibility of putting a complaint letter together explaining the reasons why the Agreement signature page should be supplied in the Sar Pack.

 

Could someone put something together for me. My letter writing skills are not yet competent enough to cope with this type of explanation.

 

Although I have had good success in the court room this is mainly down to debating practice ( 4 kids, and a misses who could argue Arthurs sword from the stone) .. and good preparation of course.

 

 

 

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I have just received my DSAR pack . No agreement supplied. I would like to explore the possibility of putting a complaint letter together explaining the reasons why the Agreement signature page should be supplied in the Sar Pack.

 

Could someone put something together for me. My letter writing skills are not yet competent enough to cope with this type of explanation.

 

Although I have had good success in the court room this is mainly down to debating practice ( 4 kids, and a misses who could argue Arthurs sword from the stone) .. and good preparation of course.

 

 

 

Regards Jack.

 

 

Perhaps they do not have one ?

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Agreed Dodgeball...

 

Then perhaps the letter should be along the lines you are required to provide a copy of my agreement ; by IPO , DPA??

If you do not hold a copy of my agreement you are required to tell me .

 

Otherwise the presumption would be you are breaching your duties....

 

Crap writing as usual ..but do you get my point? ... There may be way of getting the banks to declare their hand on whether they actually hold an agreement, with pressure put on them from comments made in this thread.

 

There then could be an argument in court and wasted costs if they have not done so.

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Agreed Dodgeball...

 

Then perhaps the letter should be along the lines you are required to provide a copy of my agreement ; by IPO , DPA??

If you do not hold a copy of my agreement you are required to tell me .

 

Otherwise the presumption would be you are breaching your duties....

 

Crap writing as usual ..but do you get my point? ... There may be way of getting the banks to declare their hand on whether they actually hold an agreement, with pressure put on them from comments made in this thread.

 

There then could be an argument in court and wasted costs if they have not done so.

 

 

The thing is with respect, they have no such duty, there only duty is to provide the data which is available in your relevant file, if there is no data there they cannot supply it.

 

I should say that if they cannot supply a signed document then it would indicate that perhaps no agreement was available, which should be good news if you are defending and putting them to proof, although knowing about your case I am guessing.

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Sorry I understand what is in your file etc.

 

What happens if it is supplied under a CCA but not under a DSAR. Surely then they have breached their duty under a sar/

 

Just testing the waters a bit.

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Sorry I understand what is in your file etc.

 

What happens if it is supplied under a CCA but not under a DSAR. Surely then they have breached their duty under a sar/

 

Just testing the waters a bit.

 

 

A CCA request does not guarantee a signed agreement, there is not requirement for them to provide a signed agreement under a CCA request, only a "true copy", which is defined under the regulations as the terms conditions and various other bits of information.

 

This can be reconstructed without sight of the original, so does not indicate that they even have one.

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Of course if they did provide a signed agreement under a cca request but failed to do so under the SAR you would have cause for complaint to the data controller.

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And of course that's what's wrong with the Carey judgment.

 

There have been cases where the creditor has sworn blind that they would have had an executed CCA at inception and their recon is a true copy but its been shown that the details within the recon can't be right, for eg phone numbers, interest rates weren't in existence at the time of inception. In one case the usual argument was used, that is that their records and systems at the time showed that a card wouldnt have been issued without an executed agreement, and the defendant produced a letter that proved otherwise.

 

 

A CCA request does not guarantee a signed agreement, there is not requirement for them to provide a signed agreement under a CCA request, only a "true copy", which is defined under the regulations as the terms conditions and various other bits of information.

 

This can be reconstructed without sight of the original, so does not indicate that they even have one.

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Of course if they did provide a signed agreement under a CCA Requesticon but failed to do so under the SARicon you would have cause for complaint to the data controller.

 

 

 

haha.. that is my point.

 

Exactly my situation CCA = Yes. SAR = No.

 

Complaint Time coming I feel.. Be interesting to see what they come back with.

 

From what I have read, it seems in a SAR request they can also issue a reconstituted agreement??

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From what I have read, it seems in a SAR request they can also issue a reconstituted agreement??

 

That's as I understand it - a SAR is only aboutt he raw data, and not the format/design of an agreement. So, as long as youv'e got the figures + information it can be presented in anyway they like as long as it's easily understandable.

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The information is not reconstructed in the same way in a SAR. In a SAR they are providing actual data taken from your individual file. A recon CCA response can just be data from their bank records not your individual file. So they can just look for an agreement which was current at the time you took out the account, even when you at no time signed an executed agreement. That what's so wrong.

 

However a lot of agreements/application forms are on microfiche which should be provided under a SAR. Unfortunately they sometimes only microfiche the first page which may or may not be helpful. Still worth getting your hands on it though.

 

 

 

Of course if they did provide a signed agreement under a CCA Requesticon but failed to do so under the SARicon you would have cause for complaint to the data controller.

 

 

 

haha.. that is my point.

 

Exactly my situation CCA = Yes. SAR = No.

 

Complaint Time coming I feel.. Be interesting to see what they come back with.

 

From what I have read, it seems in a SAR request they can also issue a reconstituted agreement??

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That's as I understand it - a SAR is only aboutt he raw data, and not the format/design of an agreement. So, as long as youv'e got the figures + information it can be presented in anyway they like as long as it's easily understandable.

 

Yes this is the way I understand it also, however a difference between this and a CCA request is that they would have to hold the dta in order to retrieve it, they could not manufacture it out of contemporary information on a data request.

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