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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi there,

 

This is my first post on this or any other forum and I'm hoping I'm posting in the correct place.

 

Here are the details of my progress:

 

Requested copy statements 12/9/2006. Had my £10 cheque returned with my statments which I recieved 27/9/2006.

 

Sent Initial request for full reimbursement of unfair charges plus interest on 28/9/2006. Total charges £2095 plus 204.29 interest. Used the template letters and the spreadsheet found on this site. (Great help, wouldn't know where to start otherwise). I gave the Bank 14 days from the letter date to reply "positively". Meaning I must send the second letter on the 12/10/2006 (I have it circled on my calendar).

 

6/10/2006 received letter from Mike Brophy at Barclays saying, "I am sorry you are unhappy with the charges etc.........We will endeavour to get back to you in the timescale you stated (i.e. two weeks) but cant guarantee it. We aim to find a solution within 4 weeks but if we are unable to do so, we will write to you explaining what is happening. A full report or an update on our progress will be sent to you within 8 weeks. There was a leaflet enclosed and also a telephone number to call if I wanted to discuss the matter.

 

So that's the state of play at the moment. I won't be calling them. I know blueskies had some success doing so but that's not for me. More of the strong silent type. I will be sending the second letter this Thursday 12/10/2006. Is this the correct course of action? Reading other threads, the best advice seems to be to ignore the Banks "fobbing off" letter and proceed with the claim in the timescale outlined by me.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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Hi, i recived the same latter from mike today...(he must be signing a whole lot of those :D ) i sent off my letter before action letter last week and thats the response i received.

 

Basically...thats there problem if they are going to take 8 weeks. Im keeping to my timescale (14 days from date of LBA letter), which means in my case they have untill 20th oct to settle. If not (which i doubt they will) i will be filling out my money claim online form.

 

You seem to be on the right track.

 

they have 14 days to respond to initial request to pay up....if they fail

send them letter before action (14 days to respond)

if they still fail....start your court claim

 

hope that helps

 

Harriet:)

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Do I sent the interst calculation with the LBA? And why should I have not sent it with my first letter? Bit late now I suppose.Oops

 

 

you cant claim the 8% standard interest until the MCol stage. You can however claim contractual interest on you first letter.

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Darn it!! I really wanted to look like I knew what I was doing to. Should have started posting on here earlier methinks. So, send LBA tomorrow with schedule of charges but no interest. By the way, contractual interest?

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IMHO its very complicated (its basically reclaiming the interest they charged you whilst overdrawn, then working out the %age of that amount that was caused by thier unlawful charges) then you have to work out thier rate, when it was incurred and for what period of time etc etc. I would stick to statuatory interest (8%) but it is up to you!

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Hi Y'all, just about to send my LBA. Here is what I wrote:

 

Thank you for your letter dated the 4 October 2006. However, the amount of time that you are requesting in order to review my case is not satisfactory.

As stated in my previous letter. I now understand that the regime of 'fees' which you have been applying to my account in relation to direct debit refusals, exceeding overdraft limits and so forth are unlawful at Common Law, Statute and recent Consumer regulations.

 

I would draw your attention to the terms of the contract which you agreed to at the time that I opened my account. It is an implied term of that contract that you would conduct yourselves lawfully and in a manner which complies with UK law.

 

I am frankly shocked that you have operated my account in this way as I had always reposed confidence in your integrity and expertise as my fiduciary.

 

I calculate that you have taken £2,095.00 in ”paid referral” and “unpaid outs” fees

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I am enclosing a copy of the schedule of the charges which I am claiming. I have already sent you a copy of this in my original letter of the 28 September 2006

 

I require repayment in full of this money and If you do not comply fully within 14 days (by the 27/10/2006) then I shall begin a claim against you for the full amount plus interest plus my costs and without further notice.

 

 

So, is that okay? Will be sending it lunch time special delivery. Should I make any changes/additions before it goes?

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Why is the font shrinking on my last post. Weird. Anyway thanks Thai you've been a great help so far. Hopefully should have some good news within the next couple of weeks. Or I'll be asking you for help on how to fill in the moneyclaim forms. Heh.

 

Don't know about the font?! Barclays are sh*ts and I'm 99% sure you'll have to MCOL thier ass*s, you'll get all the help you need and thats when you can claim all that loverly interest:lol:

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Re "shrinking font"

 

It's because, I assume, you copied and pasted the text from somewhere else on your computer - and it copied the font style along with the text.

 

If you want to avoid this, simply highlight the text and click the "Remove Text Formatting" icon at the top left of the reply box. Or, for full control over the font, click the "Go Advanced" button and you can choose your font and size preferences. (standard is Verdana Size 2)

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By day, quiet unassuming bank customer - but, by night, .. .. .. .. ..

Barclays Case1

14/03/07 **WON** FULL settlement £3358.39

Barclays Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £187.91 back.

Halifax Case1

14/03/07 **WON** Refunded £728 (including £54 costs)

Halifax Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £268.24 back.

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Thanks Victimnomore. You were correct in your assumption. I did cut and paste from word. Although I don't think I'll change it. I quite like the thought of people getting closer and closer to the screen as read my post. lol

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Oh,

do

you

now?

But, of course,

you can take it too far you know!!!!!!

he he he he

Victimnomore

By day, quiet unassuming bank customer - but, by night, .. .. .. .. ..

Barclays Case1

14/03/07 **WON** FULL settlement £3358.39

Barclays Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £187.91 back.

Halifax Case1

14/03/07 **WON** Refunded £728 (including £54 costs)

Halifax Case2

08/09/08 Prelim: please give me my £268.24 back.

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Still no word from the Bank. Am I right thinking that I don't have to contact them again? I said in my last letter that court proceedings would commence on the 27.10.2006. Should I write again saying that I have started the court proceedings? Seems like it would show weakness/hesitance on my part if I did.

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Well whadya know. Get home from work on Friday evening and there's a letter waiting from barclays, it reads:

 

May I say how sorry I am to learn that you feel the bank charges you have incurred are unfair. In your carrespondence you have referred to elements which you feel support your claim. Barclays is aware of the information you have drawn to our attention. I must inform you, however, that we disagree with your view.

 

When an account is opened with us, our customer is provided with a copy of the Term and conditions relating to the use of their account; including details of our charges. This information clearly explains our obligations to our customers, as well as their obligation to us. If we make any changes to that Terms and conditions, we provide details of these changes to our customers in line with the banking code. Details of our terms and conditions, along with our charging tariff, can be obtained at any of our branches, or via our internet site.

 

Despite my comments above in relation to your views, on this occasion, and without any admissions of liability, I am willing to offer the sum of £720 towards the total amount you are seeking. This is with the cost and inconvenience inherent in a further dispute in mind and is intended as a gesture of goodwill, in full and final settlement of your complaint. If you would like to accept my offer please sign and return the enclosed form in the pre-paid envelope provided. I will arrange for the payment to be credited direct to your account within seven working days of receipt of your acceptance at this office.

 

If you wish to discuss this letter, or if you feel there are further iisues I need consider, please contact me on...........If you are dissatisfied with my proposal for resolving your complaint you may ultimately be eligible to refer to the Financial Ombudsman Service.

 

The leaflet sent with our letter 2/10/06 explains our complaints process and provides details regarding the Financial Ombudsman Service.

 

In accordance with our standard practice, If I do not hear from you contrary within eight weeks from the date of this letter, I shall assume that your complaint is resolved and close my file.

 

Yours

 

 

Katie Tyrie

 

One small problem though. I've already filed my MCOL, Ooops. I did it friday afternoon. I wouldn't have accepted the offer anyway but would have taken it as part settlement.

 

So what now? Do I have to contact them again? They'll be notified by the court that I'm proceeding with my claim for the full amount so maybe a letter from me saying "thanks, but no thanks"?

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