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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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The DCA's? No.

 

The DCA's can only be paid at a rate you can afford. Even if it means £1 a month. Should they ever take you to court, a judge would check your I&E form and agree with it.

 

It's only if you defaulted on that payment plan that the court sets up, would they tell you to come back and explain yourself so they can consider other options. So if the DCA has been told you can only afford £1 a month and you prove it, yet they refuse to acknowledge it, then the court will very likely side with you.

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Sorry this may make me seem like a right thicko but whats DCA's and an I&E?

Partner has no income what so ever. We just have my income and tax credits.

So would he have to make a payment from the tax credits?

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DCA is another way of saying Debt Collection Agency,

 

I&E means Income and Expenditure form. It is what is used to prove to a creditor that the offer of repayment that you propose, is genuine.

 

However, if a DCA does not actually own the debt, you should tell them to take a running jump and deal with the owner directly.

 

As for your last question, as i said before, you need to work out your FULL I&E, then work out your surplus income that you can use to pay back your enforceable debts. Even if it means that the creditors only get £1 a month, then thats all they get, regardless of any threats they try to make. A court will side with you as you have shown willingness and have proof of what you are saying.

 

Also, again, if the debts are in his name, then only he has to make payments. If he doesnt have any money to do it, then you will have to start writing and negotiating with the creditors. Some are willing to wipe interest and charges to reduce the debt, and it has been known that some creditors will simply wipe the debt completely if there is no realistic possibility of the debt being repaid. Especially if its on a small amount.

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They cant insist on anything. As ive mentioned time and time again, you only pay what you can afford. Thats why you MUST work out your I&E form, so you can get an accurate picture of your finances.

 

If that I&E form says you have no money to give, then we can help you write a letter to tell them that.

 

The key is not to worry. These DCA's have no legal powers at all. The absolute most they can do is ask you to pay. Thats it.

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Ok break it down for me. Only partner has to give up his I& E details Is that right? Also does he put the joint tax credit claim as an income?

It would just seem silly filling out a form with £0 income and £0 expenditure.

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If the debts are in his name, then yes. It is up to you though if you want to help him pay the debts.

 

Dont think its silly if it comes out as 0. Tens of thousands of people are in the same situation as you are. Most of the people on this site have been in the same situation.

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I would put it yes, but since the entire amount would be his essential outgoings too, he wouldnt have to pay the DCA anything.

 

As ive already said, you can put your income down as well, but only if you want to help him pay back the debts he owes. Also remember that DCA's and other creditors routinely add unfair charges and interest to debts. You need to find out if your debts have any of these added, and also if they are actually enforceable and not statute barred.

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Well one is defiantly over 6 years old and the others show up on his credit report as defaulted at around 5 years and 6 months but it doesn't show the date of the last payment made. The one that is over 6 years old was only classed as defaulted 9 months after the last payment was made.

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Youve already had an answer to that.

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So back to the original post can they get a bailiff to take the car I payed for?

 

With respect, a car that was worth £500 when bought, with a "Book" value of £250-300 as could well be the case wouldn't be the thing to worry about. Think about it, are they going to send a team of people, put diesel in the truck, employ a driver, remove your car and risk getting £150-200 at auction? It's not in their interest to even think about it.

 

As Renegadeimp has said, Debt Collectors can not do anything but ask in a reasonable manner that you pay. If you do not, then it's tough titty on them. Their next step will be to threaten and scream and throw their teddies out of their cot, but there's not very much they can do.

 

County Court is seemingly out of the question as the debts appear to be statute barred, so sit back, relax, keep the car, take your kiddy out whenever you want because the car, I'm sure, will sit tight.

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