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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Hi all,

i've been reading a lot on this forum that bailiffs are not allowed to charge multiple fees and create multiple levies and wp's when acting on multiple liability orders, and that same goods on 2 levies are a no-no.

 

what happened in my case was a bailiff visited my property with 2 liability orders (i know i shouldnt have let him in, but thats another story) and did 2 levies, 2 wp's (listing the same goods) and obviously charged 2 levy fees, 2 wp fees and 2 admin chages. he didnt charge multiple visit fees though.

 

after reading the forum i emailed the bailiff office and raised the issue. got a reply today saying basically all correct, no refunds.

 

can anyone please point me in the direction of relevant guidelines or case law regarding these issues or help me draft a reply to them?

 

thanks a lot.

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Can only levy once on goods as the second levy is void effectively the bailiff has levied his property on the second levy, Formal Complaint to council, copied to CEO, Councillor leader and MP as a first stage

 

What council and bailiffs is this?

 

The recent Blaby council Rossendales LGO report is persuasive on multiple fees http://www.lgo.org.uk/news/2012/jul/blaby-council-criticised-bailiff-charges/

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Can only levy once on goods as the second levy is void effectively the bailiff has levied his property on the second levy, Formal Complaint to council, copied to CEO, Councillor leader and MP as a first stage

 

What council and bailiffs is this?

thanks for the quick reply and the link.

Bournemouth Borough Council and Ross & Roberts

i told them the same and here's what i got in reply:

 

Thank you for your recent e-mail, your comments have been noted on our system.

 

 

 

I have today looked though your account and note that the bailiff attended the property and evaluated the goods accordingly. I note that the same goods were levied on different cases. I can confirm that the cases are paid one at a time, therefore firstly the oldest case will be paid in full and only after that account has been paid in full the next levy would become active.

 

 

 

In regards to you r point that each liability should in fact be treated as one, this is incorrect. We are acting on behalf of our client at Bournemouth Borough Council who has obtained two separate liability orders from the court and therefore we must treat these separately at the time of the visit, and they must have their own set of paperwork and their own fees, as the amounts are different and the fees are created on the original amount.

 

 

 

A review of your case has confirmed that Ross and Roberts have carried out their action in accordance with the instruction received from the Council. Also the review has shown that at each stage the case has incurred the appropriate action and related cost and therefore the fees will not be removed and a refund will not be insured.

 

 

 

I trust you find the above satisfactory.

 

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there should be no admin charges on your account as there is no such thing as an admin charge

 

can you please list exactly as it on the notice of seizure's outstanding balance due to the council , goods levied and fees charged

 

fees are not broken down on the notices of seizure. just says the total amounts of fees. however i have a breakdown i requested from their office which shows:

 

acc 1:

Debt: 706.66

Levy Fee: 51.00

WP Fee: 12.00

Admin Fee: 24.50

 

acc 2

Debt 420.77

Levy Fee: 38.00

WP Fee: 12.00

Admin Fee: 24.50

 

both accounts have been paid off now, unfortunately with both sets of fees. so im trying to get one set of sees refunded.

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It's about time the Police actually did their legally mandated job, and took action in these cases.

 

This imho satisfies every element of the Fraud Act - The Bailiff knows he is attempting to fraudulently collect fees, he cannot actually have any legal defence against it! If he has a certificate and works as a Bailiff, he MUST know what and when he can charge. There is no confusion, no blurred line, no debate to be had. It is blatant, criminal fraud.

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will do, when i get home tomorrow.

there's nothing of a real value on there - some old furniture, couple of appliances and a few old computer bits. couple of hundred £'s maximum all together if sold at an auction.

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It is ALWAYS the case that when a query is raised concerning fees that have been charged that a letter of comaplint should be sent to the LOCAL AUTHORITY and copied to the bailiff provider.

 

Unfortunatly if you read posts on here you will see that there have been serious concerns surrounding Ross & Roberts and this firm are owned by Capita Ltd. This company (Capita) are used by many local authorities as "back office providers" to run their council tac departments. Therefore when writing to the council, to complain at Ross & Roberts ( or indeed Equita Ltd who are also owned by Capita Ltd) you are really writing to the company that OWN Ross & Roberts !!!

 

This comapny have clearly charged "multiple fees" and of serious concern are also charging a "Head H" fee of £24.50 to each account.

 

The highly critical Local Government Ombudsman's report against Blaby District Council made it very clear indeed that their bailiff provider ( Rossendales Ltd) should not have charged "multiple fees" and neither should they charge a "Head H" fee !!!

 

I would strongly suggest that you write a formal letter of complaint to the council and this should be addressed to the Chief Executive. You need to ensure that you refer to the Blaby LGO Report.

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Hi seregap,

 

I have a pretty similar situation going on at the moment here

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?362400-Council-Tax-%96-Rossendales-%96-Car-Seized-%96-Clock-Ticking-Help-Please

 

You are in very good hands with wonkeydonkey, brassnecked, ploddertom and tomtubby. Stick with there advice and you will get results.

 

All the best.

 

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Hi, sorry for for not updating this earlier, but with your help i managed to get the second levy and all associated fees refunded by R&R and even an apology :)

took a bit of fighting and email ping-pong though.

 

basically in response to their email quoted earlier in the thread i managed to prove them that it was lies:

Dear Mr XXX,

 

Thank you for your recent e-mail, your comments have been noted.

 

I am very disappointed with your recent response on this matter. I expected you to know better than me that one of the levies was indeed unlawful and therefore invalid.

Your attempt at justification is absolutely unreasonable and actually contradicts the facts.

 

The facts are:

Both levies were made on the same day.

Both levies were made at the same time by the same person.

Both levies list the same goods.

Both accounts numbers were written on the single monthly payment arrangement agreement.

More than that, i have proof that monthly payments were being split and paid into both accounts from day one, that you kindly emailed to me in the form of my account and fee breakdown on the 16th of July this year.

 

Therefore i insist that one of the levies is unlawful and invalid and the only justification for it is to inflate the fees payable. Whether it was a mistake or deliberate action is another question.

 

Please could you confirm that your response quoted below is your FINAL response regarding this matter, so that i could take this matter further with the relavant authorities.

 

I await for your final response within the next 7 working days.

 

to which they replied that they had reviewed and were refunding the levy fee and the wp fee, ignoring the "admin fee".

 

i then sent them the following:

Dear Mr XXX,

 

As a follow up to my email of one hour ago, quoted below, i would like to point out that the "Admin Fee: £24.50" applied to both my accounts is not included on the Schedule of Charges Relating To Distress kindly provided by Mr XX on the back of the forms he left, and is therefore also not payable.

In case You would like to quote the £24.50 mentioned in Head H of the table to Paragraph 1 relating to regulations 14(4)/45(4) i provide the quote of the regulation:

 

(4) Where an authority has seized goods of the debtor in pursuance of the distress, but before sale of these goods the appropriate amount (including charges arising up to the time of the payment or tender) is paid or tendered to the authority, the authority shall accept the amount, the sale shall not be proceeded with and the goods shall be made available for collection by the debtor.

 

This is clearly not applicable in my case as no goods were seized and available for collection, therefore no costs were incurred.

 

Therefore, here is the updated amount requested to be returned to me in form of a cheque:

 

Account number: xxxxxx

Levy charge: £38.00

Walking Possession Fee: £12.00

Admin Fee: £24.50

Account number: xxxxx

Admin Fee: £24.50

 

TOTAL: £99.00

 

In case of Your agreement with the above Please make the cheque payable to: ME

or, otherwise, please provide your FINAL RESPONSE to this matter, marked as such in the subject line of Your email, within the next 7 working days.

to which they replied

Dear Mr XXX,

Would you please accept our apologies for the number of times you have had to contact our Company to resolve this issue.

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and refunded everything i requested.

 

thanks, everyone, for help!

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