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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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HI There,

 

I am a single mum and so scared I was out shopping with my daughter in Primark and she was playing up and got a phonecall on my mobile I had a pack of vests and socks which I forgot about had the money for them but because I was not thinking walkked out then security approached me and took my datails I told them this was my first and last time doing this but was not thinking. Now I have recieved a letter saying I have to pay £87.50 which I can not afford to pay now I am worried I will have to go to court so scared .

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Hi and welcome.

Please try to calm down and have a read of others in a similar situation.

 

Just as a matter of interest, how long were you held?

Did they take you to a back office? did you have a choice?

 

These 'speculative' invoices have no legal standing (YET-if at all)

 

You will get lots of help but the main thing is. YOU WILL NOT GET A CRIMINAL RECORD

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I was not held long just gave my address and date of birth then they gave me the information about RLP then I was escorted out as my daughter was playing up. I am just so scared as have not got the money to pay it as all my benefit money pays for my bills and my daughter.

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Lets get this straight. They will send you some letters demanding this that and the other then they will get a debt collector to chase you and they may even try the solicitor letter.

The only person that can force you to pay this invoice is a judge and RLP very rarely do court.

 

As I said, read around this forum and you will see just how seriously we at CAG regard this (NOT being the answer)

 

Do not even offer to pay them. You were not arrested-no crime-simple as

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What's more, because the goods were recovered in a saleable condition, the shop did not suffer any loss. The security man was doing the job he was paid to do, so he didn't spend any time away from his normal job.

 

I suspect that the security man saw exactly what had happened and saw you as an easy target for an RLP speculative invoice.

 

Ignore the first letter, but if they continue to write, send them a single line reply to their next letter, literally "I deny any liability to you or your client.". That is best sent second class, but get a certificate of posting (free from the post office) to show that you sent the letter. Don't add anything else to the letter.

 

Don't provide any further information (eg excuses or reasons)

 

Don't talk to them on the phone (I don't think that they do call) - don't go through their "security" process if they do call, just tell them that you will deal with the matter in writing only.

 

In my eyes, as well as dealing with thieves, the security people are there to remind forgetful shoppers who have forgotten to pay or are distracted of what they have done, not to treat them like this. They need re-educating. The way that shops are laid out encourages you to wonder around looking for your remaining purchases and it is all too easy to forget that you have picked up some items that you are considering purchasing and then get distracted and leave the store. When I did that, fortunately I wasn't stopped and just returned the items (I had decided not to buy them) to the shelves.

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Hi Chrissy

 

Write a Formal Letter of Complaint, explain what happened, that you are totally innocent (you got distracted by the phone call and you had monies to pay for the goods on you) and this is a case of an over zealous security guard.

As the guys have said, try not to worry.

 

Send it to:-

 

Paul Marchant, Chief Executive

[email protected]

 

Some tips:- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1242161/How--write-letter-complaint.html

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Having sent letter stating deny no liability now I have a letter stating that they have considered all the issues raised and have attatched a Defence to civil claim form. and that if I reject all the alternatives that their client will be entititled to issue a Claim in the county court. Worried now . I can not afford to pay £87.50 and the goods were returned straight away.

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Don't worry about this new letter. You have written stating your case so in my opinion, you should now ignore their letters.

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So far, RLP has invited you to make a contribution to their funds ()maybe their Christmas party and you have declined. They can't issued any claim through the courts and their clients haven't either.

 

At the moment there is nothing to provide a defense to.

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Hi All,

 

I have received another letter today titled " Claiments Offer to Settle Claim Pursuant to Part 36 Civil Procedure Rules 1998 " Says the claiment is willing to make a offer of £70 .00 in full but I still can not afford this . Do I still ignore the letters worried again that they will take me to court when it was a mistake as stated in my thread.

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"Your client is fully aware of my version of events, the CCTV backs this up. I am currently considering making a claim against your client and I am happy to include RLP if you continue to represent them. At the moment I am willing to accept an offer of £200 from your client" ... just a thought

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Personally, since you've told them you deny any liability, I'd continue to ignore RLP. They send these letters quoting legal procedures to try to intimidate you into believing that they have some sort of legal authority; they have not. If they want to waste stamps, let them.

 

I agree. If you had formally admitted theft to Police/Court, then they might sometimes have a basis to recover some damages. But you did not admit a theft, you did not commit a theft and you have not been convicted of a theft. So they would find it virtually impossible to win a civil claim against you. This is just speculative bullying by computer-generated form letter, ignore it.

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