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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Just had results of ATOS Medical and nil points scored.What a surprise. I have send off form GL24 etc. I know it could be upto six months before my case is heard at appeal. I do not really want to go onto JSA,as really had alot of trouble and very bad treatment last time. My depression could not stand another round of that. Will the DWP try to push me until anything else, while Iam waiting. I have disconnected the home phone during the day, as could not face talking to them. Will only contact them by letter. (My doctor is aware.) I am, really ready to just live off my savings while waiting for the appeal. As,I do not really want to trouble my great doctor for more help.

 

What do you good people think. My very good wishes.

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The Decision maker will look at your GL24 for an appeal then if you disagree, which you probably will as they are not likely to give you 15 points, you could wait upto 6 months for the tribunal. Like as above, keep sending sick notes in ;)

Work for my local CAB but my views and advice are my own. Try AdviceGuide or Adviceline (08444 111 444) for CAB help ;)

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Hello there and welcome to the ever expanding club of people scoring nul points.

 

While you're waiting for the DWP to decide, you will be able to amass evidence you might need for a tribunal. Have they sent you a copy of what Atos said about you? That's your best starting point and then in time you can have a look at the forum sticky about appeals and tribunals.

 

My best, HB

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Hello HB,

I have a report from ATOS on my medicial. It was full of errors and mis-quotes. The Health Care Professional seemed to lie. Oh well, I will wait for what happens with the appeal. Thanks for your answer. I hope you are coping. Very many thanks.

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They lied on my ESA85 too,but i appealed and won.Still not had my backdated money after two months though.:-(

 

Dear Johnwilliams,

I would chase them up for your backdated money. You may get better results by writing to your

local MP for help. Good Luck

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Re.DWP Medical and Appeals Update From Grahamdavid31.

Hello all, Well my appeal went into the DWP in april of this year. But,because of all the pressure of the long wait for a tribunal. I suffer from depression etc. I do not want to shock anyone,but I took a pill over dose recently as things gone too much. I am ok as my dad caught me and I am having treatment now. More antidepressants. I wrote to the DWP and gave them the facts. All they have done is served me with tribunal papers already. I did write two letters to them,giving them the chance to check with hospital etc on facts. I think they just took no notice at all and did not take this into consideration.I gave them alot of information. They do not care. I am posting off my tribunal papers with extra information attached shortly and information on my overdose attempt. Will wait for tribunal date, should hear within about six weeks. The DWP just do not care how they treat people, and I think that the dole will be my port of call before long. The DWP are making things as hard as possible for sick and ill people and do not care. Sorry to shock you. I am ok. My best wishes to you all

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I'm glad your Dad was there to help you and wish you all the best for the future. It's not easy and it can look like it's just one big machine working against you. Whilst I completely agree with Nystagmite that it's how you were at your assessment which is what things will be judged upon, it's probably of some importance that the Tribunal Service have an understanding of things as they are now. I say that simply because, obviously, it could have an affect on your ability to attend the Tribunal. I hope you get the assistance you need all round. Again, best wishes...

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Yes, I'm afraid the overdose will not be taken in to account as it happened after the dates they are looking at. Also, I actually know someone who works for the Tribunal service and he says it is not uncommon for people to take an overdose with the intention of adding grounds to an appeal (rather than seriously wanting to end a life), not at all saying you are, but the Tribunals see it happen and together with it happening after the date they are looking at don't take them in to account.

 

I'm pleased you are seeking and getting help and wishing you all the best.

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Thanks All,

Your comments were most welcome. Thank God for a web site like this that can help.

I never knew so many people cared.

 

Will just wait for tribunal Date and see. I think I am losing a never ending battle with the DWP now.They seem to make up their own rules as it suits them.

 

May best wishes to you all.

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Im in a similar position....im soo glad your dad was there to help...i suffer with severe depression...lupus and fybromyalgia...im still fighting dla but won my fight with esa earlier this year...i also have a court hearing and a medical for a blue badge next month...so i understand the feeling of hopelessness and panic that these things cause...this website has been a godsend...i probably would have done the same as you if it wasnt for the sound advice and just knowing that there are some people that care and are willing to help is a relief....if only they worked at thedwp...dont let them win...they want people to give up....it may take time...(a year to win my esa battle)

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Hello all,

Had tribunal date of 11/9/2012. Its local, so not much travel time.

I sent as much evidence as I can to tribunal. Would it be helpful to send in doctors medical certs while waiting for appeal.

Live with dad since my divorce. He is sort of my carer and ex-male nurse. Do you think I should get him to do some sort of

letter to tribunal. Just want the whole process over with now. Its a whole worry.

Best wishes to all.

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Hello All,

My tribunal is next tuesday. 11 Sept. I cannot tell you how Iam feelings. My doctor has put me on more antidepressants to help. If, I fail my tribunal, then I have hear that there is a upper tribunal you can go to.

I do not really want to end up on JSA because of my mental health. I have heard that you can wait six months and then claim for ESA. Does anyone know. I really fear going back onto JSA and would live off savings for six months then claim ESA again. My great doctor is very willing to provide me with medical certificates, what ever happens to me. Can anyone help. I have also heard that someone from the DWP maybe present at my tribunal.

Best wishes to you all and thank you.

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Hello again.

 

So you have until Tuesday to prepare. Have you read the forum sticky about appeals and tribunals at all please? I would say you need a document to take with you and hand in on the day if you haven't already. The sticky has a template that you can write/type up to take with you. It worked for me. :)

 

My tribunal had a DWP person present, but they didn't say anything, they seemed to be taking notes.

 

I wouldn't count on the upper tribunal if I were you. They only hear cases on points of law and I'm not sure you can rely on rely on that turning around what you want.

 

If I were in your place, although I can't tell you what to do, I would spend my time preparing for Tuesday and having something to explain your problems like the one I used.

 

Only my opinion of course, but I've been through depression too. :)

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Presuming you didn't pass your upcoming tribunal, and that's a big presumption, then you can do the following:

a) Reapply for ESA 6 months after your claim was stopped due to the failed WCA. Let us assume, for example, that was the 14th of April 2012 (the date of the OP) then you can claim again from the 14th of October 2012.

b) Immediately reapply if your condition has got worse. Which might be the case from your later posts.

Either way, best wishes ...

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one more thing, if you do not win it you may be able to apply for a fresh claim. AS i understand it, if yoru condition has changed/worsened since your medical it is treated as a fresh claim. you might want to check with your local CAB as i could be wrong but its worth looking into if the need be.

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Thanks to you all, for comments on my tribunal tomorrow.

I take great comfort, in the geat number of people out there and your comments.

Thanks so much.

I will let you know how I get on. All my paprwork is ready to take, looking at the copy I have of the ATOS Medical I had.

I can find error,after error,after error. Why can't the goverment find a better and fairer system to treat us.

Or, are they just intent to get us off all benefits to save money.

Best wishes to you all.

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