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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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hi nat thanks for replying!!! I have managed with hags help to sort my spreadsheet out, I was losing sleep I was in such a muddle!! so fingers crossed its ok however hoping to send it off tomorrow as never had time before now as busy with work and all. Thats 1 big claim you are going for will you have to split that for small claims court or are you going for the lot at once???

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hi nat thanks for replying!!! I have managed with hags help to sort my spreadsheet out, I was losing sleep I was in such a muddle!! so fingers crossed its ok however hoping to send it off tomorrow as never had time before now as busy with work and all. Thats 1 big claim you are going for will you have to split that for small claims court or are you going for the lot at once???

 

Glad you've got the spreadhseets sorted. I have a lot of fun with mine, now, trying different interest rates and stuff!

Difficult to say whether I will split the claim and i can see myself having a sleepless night!

I've definitely discarded the idea of trying to split it by time - it's too artificial and they'd just know i was coming for the lot. But I have seen that someone else (whose name escapes me) has split the claim by type. That may work - card misuse fees come to over £4K but less than £5K, as do the rest. I was in the chatroom earlier and was advised to do the lot in one go. Bit scary - it goes on 'fast track' to the County Court, it could take a while and there are more potential costs. It also gives Cobbetts a bit more latitude to b*gg*r about. I shall (try and) sleep on it!!

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hi guys!!! neva posted for a few weeks been so busy with work and all:( however I have been carrying on with my claim and just received in the post this morning my GET STUFFED letter, think its just 1 of the same info u guys are getting or have had in the past!!! you know the 1 saying that the charges are fair and reasonable and they are doing nothing wrong blah blah. so now moving onto next stage oh thats another step closer to court oh no feel sick thinking about it but must be brave I will keep you updated and any help would be appreciated!!!!

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I assume that the reply was to your preliminary letter, in which case once the 14 day deadline is up you can proceed with the LBA, remember to send a copy of your schedule again.

Try not to get yourself worked up about court, you're a long way off that yet, not that you'll ever have to attend court. Just send your next letter, sit back and wait for the usual response.

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hi guys, I havent had a chance to send LBA yet as been so busy over xmas with kids, however ready to send it today but looked in templates at LBA and at the start it says about been disappointed about not receiving a reply from last letter but I did get a sod off letter so shud I just alter it saying I am disappointed with the outcome of your last letter?

cheers guys!!

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Yes, just alter the letter accordingly. It is important that you stick to the 14 days, in other words be prepared to go legal in 2 weeks, it is highly likely you will have to take that step.

My advice has hardly any legal foundation whatsoever, however you never know it it might just work!

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thanks ataction! I'm not sure if I shud send my LBA to stuart higley like my last letter or shud I send it somewhere totally different??? Also I will send my spread sheets again with this LBA however my spread sheet has the date up till september on and I have received more charges on my acc since I made my spreadsheet so should i put them on now or shud I wait till I get to court stage? many thanks

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hi guys!! sent my LBA letter off to stuart higley on the 05/01/07 and I have received a letter off him this morning thanking me for my letter and they are considering my claim and they will be back in touch as soon as possible!!! Does every1 get this letter? Should I wait for the 14 days to be up and if I have heard nothing should I proceed with my court action?

Thanks guys!!

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Yes, it seems as though this is the latest ploy from dear 'ole Mr Higley and his team. Gone are the days when a somple 'bog-off' letter was sent...ah, the good 'ole days!!!!;)

Yes, amelia, wait the 14 days, and then hit them with the next stage. You are in control, time is in your hands not theors, and don't forget that.

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thankyou muggins!! I will read up on filing a court case cos it all seems so complicated and i dont do complicated well :confused: , I mean I lost nights sleep and that was just with the spreadsheets so i must get organised!!:D

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Me too, but on reading when I actually post most of my threads, I dont sleep anyway:p

Nothing wrong in thinking ahead, that's wot I say;)

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if you go to your local court to file a claim do you have to fill the forms out by hand or do u do them on comp? because I have been looking through the templates in libary about filing in court but my computer wont let me open any of the court form templates so i cant get an idea of what they are like if that makes any sense!!

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If you choose to go direct via your local court (as have I), then you do not need to hand them in, posting is allowed:)

 

Of course you can hand write them, but once you've given your computer a hefty kick and it is beginning to play nice, then it is much easier to meerly copy and paste the templates onto the court forms via their website. The only thing is that you are unable to save any of the completed forms onto your computer. you will need to ensure that you make enough copies usually three (one for you, the court and cobbetts).

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thanks muggins, you were right about giving comp a kicking cos its fine now!!

Anyway I sent my LBA and the 14 days are up very soon so I want to have everything ready however there has been more charges added to my account since I started my claim, so I am not sure when to add these other charges on? Can I do it on my form I send to court?

many thanks guys!!!

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Yes, you can add any extras up to the point that you file a claim with the court/mcol. Simply add them to your schedule.

Please note that once you have filed your N1 claim form, you can no longer update your schedule with any 'new charge's they happen to plonk on.

These will have to be dealt with later on, as a new concern, but the good news is that apparently it's a lot less hassle;)

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Right guys NatWest had their time limit!! its now time to go to court and I just hope it goes smoothly!! I will keep you guys informed with every letter I get cos I wont understand it anyway! so any help will be appreciated and if or shud I say WHEN i win I will be donating cos couldnt of done it without this site:)

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amelia, good luck. This is the point where I leave you, as the court stuff is one in which we have a host of experts, but I will be waiting to see the thread change to won.

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hi guys long time no speak:D

Can any1 tell me if I have left it too long a gap in between my LBA and going to court, because it has been weeks since I got a reply from my LBA saying they werent willing to give me my charges back. I have been changing my job so I just havent had time to go down court to file my claim but I am just hoping it hasnt been to long as in my LBA I told them if I didnt get my charges back I would take them to court after 14 days and that was in January. So what do yous think shud I just go ahead and go to court?

cheers guys!!!

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hi ppl!! just been reading another thread and am now really worried that I have added interest that maybe I shudnt have, its not a big amount its only £74.00 however I dont want to mess my claim up by trying to get back money that the bank are in there right to take off me! on my statements it says:

debit interest to be deducted:

the current unarranged rate applicable is 2.19% per month, effective rate 29.6% or other rate agreed with you.

the amount of interest to be applied includes any interest on uncleared funds. Any weekend processing for interest is calculated to the weekend/bank holiday.

interest £2.18

So please tell me I am doing it right by adding this interest on to my claim or I will probs have to send new spreadsheets to natwest:confused:

cheers guys!!

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well everything is ready now to take down to court in morning I just hope everything is ok with my forms and spreadsheets. I have added interest I mentioned in the post above as nobody answered me so just hope it is right. I am not sure if its 14 WORKING days before you can request an AQ not sure what everybody else did but I will ask at court.

goood luck guys!!!

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to be honest im not sure of time scales for the judgment i think it is 14 days but im sure the bank will draw this out as long as possible. seems to be they case with me ive been given the brush off with this hole ordeal , its only since i found this forum i had an confidence in going ahead with this! good luck and let me know how you get on

 

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hi ppl!! I eventually got my claim down to court on friday so I will be waiting for the post every morning!! I hope a cheque comes through the post for the full amount or I will def be well on my way to nervous breakdown:eek:

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