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    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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    • urm......exactly what you filed .....read it carefully... it puts them to strict proof to prove the debt is enforceable, so thus 'holds' their claim till they coughup or not and discontinue. you need to get readingthose threads i posted so you understand. then you'll know whats maybe next how to react or not and whats after that. 5-10 threads a day INHO. dont ever do anything without checking here 1st.
    • I've done a new version including LFI's suggestions.  I've also change the order to put your strongest arguments first.  Where possible the changes are in red.  The numbering is obviously knackered.  See what you think. Background  1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of November 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.  Unfair PCN  4.1  On XXXXX the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) the solicitors helpfully sent photos of 46 signs in their evidence all clearly showing a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will  be reduced if paid promptly).  There can be no room for doubt here - there are 46 signs produced in the Claimant's own evidence. 4.2  Yet the PCN affixed to the vehicle was for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced if paid promptly).  The reminder letters from the Claimant again all demanded £100. 4.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.   4.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim. 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According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44  For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.  2.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The contract produced was largely illegible and heavily redacted, and the fact that it contained no witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “No Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract. Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed  3.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and Country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.  3.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses this document.  No Keeper Liability  5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.  5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.    5.3        The claimant did not mention the parking period instead only mentioned time 20:25 which is not sufficient to qualify as a parking period.   Protection of Freedoms Act 2012  The notice must -  (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; 22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim. 5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable. Interest 6.2  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for four years in order to add excessive interest. Double Recovery  7.1  The claim is littered with made-up charges. 7.2  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100. 7.3  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims. 29. Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. 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F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverable under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...'' 31. In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 2) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case. 7.7        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.  7.8        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).  In Conclusion  8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim. Statement of Truth I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. 
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Harisson & Harisson v Black Horse Ltd [2011] A3/20 10/2996 CA - Judgment handed down S140 CCA 1974


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Good morning to all my dear fellow Cag Members.

 

The above Court of Appeal Judgment handed down this morning is likely to have a very serious negative impact for consumers who intend to rely upon S140 CCA 1974 and claiming unfair relationship with their creditor.

 

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mods - can we have a dedicated S140 thread, as the interpretation of this and the exemptions which have many of us baffled would be helpful to many?

'rise like lions after slumber, in unvanquishable number, shake your chains to the earth like dew, which in sleep had fall'n on you, ye are many, they are few.' Percy Byshse Shelly 1819

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Harrison & ANOR v Black Horse [2011] EWCA Civ 1128

 

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2011/

 

The above case is available using the link.

 

The case below is not available (yet) on BAILII

 

Harrison & Harrison v Black Horse Limited [2011] A3/2010/2996

 

Mr & Mrs Harrison are a married couple. In 2003 they applied for, and obtained, a second mortgage with Black Horse Limited (“Black Horse”). In 2006 they applied for, and obtained, further credit from Black Horse and repaid the first agreement. This later agreement was for £60,000 (the “Loan”) meaning the agreement was not regulated by the CCA 1974. Mr & Mrs Harrison also opted to take further credit of £10,200 to pay the premium for the Policy. The APR was 7.4%. They were provided with:

 

• an initial disclosure document (setting out Black Horse’s status);

• a “demands and needs” statement;

• a key facts document; and

• a copy of the Policy’s terms.

 

Black Horse also completed a questionnaire recording Mr & Mrs Harrison’s answers to Black Horse’s questions. The Loan was repaid in March 2009.

 

The Issues

 

On 15 February 2011 Lord Justice Tomlinson gave limited permission to appeal His Honour Judge Waksman QC’s decision (which was, in turn, an appeal of District Judge Marston’s decision). The appeal was intended to be limited to “the claim under s.140B of the Act and that the points raised in relation to the ICOB Rules can only be relevant by way of the context in which the claim arises”. Despite the limited aspect, Mr & Mrs Harrison also challenged during the hearing two of His Honour Judge Waksman QC’s decisions on compliance with the Insurance: Conduct of Business Rules (“ICOB”). They were:

 

• the decision that the receipt of a commission “did not conflict to a material extent with its duty under Rule 4.3.1 to take reasonable steps to ensure that its recommendation to buy PPI was suitable for the customers’ demands and needs. He should have found a breach of Rule 2.3.2”; and

 

• the decision that ICOB 4.3.6(2)R is not engaged unless cost is shown to be a matter of concern for the borrowers.

After oral submissions, Mr & Mrs Harrison’s barristers, Brian Doctor QC and Andrew Clark, sought “to cast the net wider still, and in particular to withdraw the concession made in the lower courts to the effect that Black Horse had been under no obligation to undertake an exercise comparing the cost of its product with that of other contracts available in the market offering similar cover”.

 

The Decision

 

Delivering the leading judgment, Lord Justice Tomlinson decided that:

 

• he would “pay tribute to the care and clarity” of District Judge Marston’s decision at trial in the County Court;

• the County Court decision of His Honour Judge Platts in Yates & Lorenzelli v Nemo Personal Finance Limited (2010), Unreported, Manchester County Court, 14 May 2010 (which is often cited by borrowers and their advisers) was wrong and of no assistance. In particular, he did “not think that [such an] open-ended approach is quite that required” by the unfair relationship provisions. HHJ Platts’ decision “owes a lot I think to the circumstances that the broker was insolvent” and a misrepresentation was “ordinarily … irrelevant to the question of whether the relationship is unfair”;

 

• if things done or not done by the creditor (as the Court may consider under Section 140A(1) ©) “are in compliance with and involve no non-compliance with the statutorily prescribed regulatory regime, it is not easy to see from where the unfairness in the relationship is to be derived”;

 

• the legislative provisions in Sections 140A to 140D of the CCA 1974:

 

required the relationship between the parties to be determined as unfair, not the agreement between them;

the question of unfairness required the Court to look at matters relating to the creditor and the debtor: it was not a one-sided consideration;

do not offer any guidance (unlike the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 or the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999);

 

• the Office of Fair Trading’s guidance on unfair relationships was “significant” because it points one, not unnaturally, in the direction of the regulatory framework” (ie ICOB);

 

• there “is no requirement for commission disclosure”. Indeed, the EU Insurance Mediation Directive (adopted on 9 December 2002), the FSA’s consultation papers in December 2002 and June 2003, the FSA’s policy statement 04/01, ICOB and the Insurance: Conduct of Business Sourcebook (which replaced ICOB) did not require commission disclosure;

 

• it is correct that Rule 4.3.6(2) only requires cost to be taken into account “where the customer has indicated that this is a relevant concern”: Rule 4.3.6(2) was not therefore engaged by Mr & Mrs Harrison;

 

• the impact of Rule 4.2.8(6) (which was raised for the first time on this second appeal and, even then, after the close of oral submissions) is that it “spells out a clear gradation, from a fair analysis of the market through advice or information in respect of a limited number of insurance undertakings to advice or information in respect of a single insurance undertaking”;

 

• in “the real world, I do not believe that any reasonable person expects that an insurance intermediary who holds himself out as able to sell only one product will proffer advice as to the suitability of that product by reference to and comparison with other products available in the market”;

 

• the submissions by Mr Doctor QC that the initial disclosure document did not provide notification of Mr & Mrs Harrison’s right to “request a list of the insurance undertakings with whom Black Horse dealt” was “absurd”: Rule 4.2.8 deals with the situation where a customer “wishes to assert that a contract which should have been selected on the basis of a fair analysis of the market has not been so provided”; • Mr Doctor QC’s argument “really resolves to a single point that, in the absence of an explanation, the commission is so egregious that it gives rise to a conflict of interest which it was the lender’s duty to disclose. Only disclosure could give the borrowers the opportunity to decide whether they wished to purchase a product in the circumstances where the lender derived so significant a benefit from the purchase”;

 

• while the “commission here is on any view quite startling … I struggle however to spell out of the mere size of the undisclosed commission an unfairness in the relationship between the lender and borrower”;

 

• the “touchstone must in my view be the standard imposed by the regulatory authorities pursuant to their statutory duties, not resort to a visceral instinct that the relevant conduct is beyond the Pale”;

 

• it would “be an anomalous result if a lender was obliged to disclose receipt of a commission in order to escape a finding of unfairness under s.140A of the Act but yet not obligated to disclose it to the statutorily imposed regulatory framework under which it operates” and “Mr Doctor had no answer to this point”;

 

• the circle cannot be squared “by arguing that a recommendation of suitability cannot be objective if given by a lender in receipt of a large commission. The judge rejected that submission on the facts of this case. There is also the obvious difficulty in deciding where the line is to be drawn”;

 

• a “seller is not ordinarily obliged to warn his buyer that his product is expensive when compared to other similar product and in my judgement it is telling that in this heavily regulated market no such obligation has been imposed”; and

 

• the “non-disclosure of commission is not listed amongst the fifteen common failings which were said to result in detriment or poor outcomes for consumers. The FSA knew from its earlier work that the median average undisclosed commission … was 70%”.

The appeal was therefore dismissed by Lord Justice Tomlinson (and Lord Neuberger and Lord Justice Patten agreed).

 

This is an extremely important decision from the Court of Appeal. As Lord Justice Tomlinson remarks, this decision is a “test case to provide guidance in many other cases which have been stayed pending our decision”. Given the clear and unanimous decision, it must be now beyond doubt that the taking of an undisclosed commission, no matter how big or small, does not create an unfair relationship. The Court of Appeal was at pains to explain the detailed (and thoughtful) history of insurance regulation and, in particular, the fact that commission disclosure is not required (and never has been) for retail customers. It was no accident that the decision was made to not require the disclosure of commission: it was clearly an issue on the FSA’s radar but not one which warranted a rule. The FSA does require there to be a statement of price which Black Horse provided to Mr & Mrs Harrison. For a long time, we have consistently made the point that there should be no free-standing obligation on the seller of a product to explain the factors that make up a product’s price. The Court of Appeal fully accepted this point.

 

The Court of Appeal has now, for the first time, clarified the impact of the unfair relationships provisions. As His Honour Judge Waksman QC decided in Carey & Others v HSBC Bank plc & Others [2009] EWHC 3417 (QB), the evidential burden of proving the alleged facts giving rise to the unfairness is on the debtor and, once he or she has proved those facts (but only if they do), the legal burden of proof shifts onto the creditor to prove that the relationship is fair. The Court of Appeal came to a similar conclusion (and, it is suggested, tacitly approved Carey) by making two important points: firstly, it is the relationship (not the agreement) which must be considered; secondly, the relationship includes consideration of the creditor’s position and the debtor’s position. Equal weight must be given to both the creditor and the debtor. It is therefore telling that the Court of Appeal, noting that Black Horse had complied with ICOB, decided that the “touchstone must in my view be the standard imposed by the regulatory authorities pursuant to their statutory duties, not resort to a visceral instinct that the relevant conduct is beyond the Pale”. Plainly, that must be correct. It is also important to note that the Court of Appeal effectively overruled the County Court’s decision in Nemo. That decision, to use Lord Justice Tomlinson’s own words, “owes a lot I think to the circumstances that the broker was insolvent”: we agree. The simple fact that the broker may (or may not) have done something should not, on its own, create an unfair relationship.

 

Given the Court of Appeal’s unanimous decision, the issue of commission disclosure and whether it creates an unfair relationship is now well and truly resolved. There is no obligation on a lender or intermediary to disclose the amount of the commission. Any failure to do so cannot create an unfair relationship. If a lender complies with ICOB, there should not (in our view) be any grounds for arguing that there was an unfair relationship. Similarly, if there is a technical or trivial breach of ICOB (or some other regulatory provision), that should not create an unfair relationship. The Court must look at the relationship or relationships and see whether the breach causes that relationship or relationships to be unfair as a whole: not the other way around. It is suggested, given the Court of Appeal’s findings, that it does not matter if the borrower, knowing the full amount of the commission, would not have proceed to enter into the Policy. The lender did not need to provide that information so there can be nothing unfair in the relationship. It is therefore clear that a finding of unfairness will be made in limited circumstances where the breach or conduct is so serious that it makes the relationship unfair. So far, there have been a number of County Court decisions (which are recorded in the OFT’s unfair relationship guidance, which has recently been revised) which must, given the Court of Appeal’s decision, be wrong. No doubt the OFT’s guidance will need further revision to take into account the important lessons given by the Court of Appeal.

 

It is important to note that the Court of Appeal, the High Court and the County Court had no issue with the fact that the original salesperson was not produced to give evidence at trial. The witness evidence was considered by Lord Justice Tomlinson (and referred to in his judgment). It therefore follows that a failure by the lender or broker to produce the original salesperson is not fatal: it is completely understandable that such a witness cannot be produced. The Court of Appeal also made it clear that the unfair relationship test is not an economic test: the Court of Appeal refused to express a view (or “draw a line in the sand”) on what is (or is not) a fair amount. It is the relationship which is considered: Mr & Mrs Harrison were provided with the required information and chose to enter into the Policy. Pulling all of the strands together, it must be the case that (despite the apparently wide statutory wording) a viable unfair relationship claim will be difficult to bring.

 

It will be interesting to see how payment protection insurance litigation develops once claims management companies and their advisers digest the implications of this landmark test case. Lenders already see borrowers conveniently allege that cost was a “relevant concern” to them. As the Master of the Rolls wryly observed during oral arguments, “well they would do, wouldn’t they?”.

 

Source: Squire Sanders Hammonds

 

Kind regards

 

The Mould

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Here is another case concerning the miss-selling of PPI, failures to comply with the Insurance: Conduct of Business Rules (ICOB) and unfair relationship under Section 140A of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (as amended).

 

Jones v Northern Rock (Asset Management) plc (2011), unreported, Lincoln County Court, 13 October 2011 – HH Judge Owen QC.

 

Jones (the claimant) lost his claim alleging NRAM failure to comply with ICOB and that the sales process created an unfair relationship under Section 140A of the 1974 Act.

 

NRAM were awarded costs on the indemnity basis of £19,348.11 against Jones.

 

This case is a serious warning after the above Harrison and Harrison case from the Courts that all borrowers should take heed if they should bring such a claim – serious costs consequences will follow if your claim is without merit.

 

Kind regards

 

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I agree, the guidance and regs IMHO need reworking, some folks agreements are still left out of any protection! this cannot be what govt intended, that charges and secret commissions, very high rates, and gross pressurising of vulnerable customers into same be effectively UNTOUCHABLE!???????????????????????

'rise like lions after slumber, in unvanquishable number, shake your chains to the earth like dew, which in sleep had fall'n on you, ye are many, they are few.' Percy Byshse Shelly 1819

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