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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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hello every one i have a problem i am a customer of buy as u view and i have had one or 2 things go wrong and i have got behind with payments but have sorted this out now with them.

 

the problem is while i was behind and making arangements to pay off the arears one item i had off them got broken. we had a nintendo wii and my 3 year old decided to pour orange juice inside it and it stopped working and my wife threw it out saying it was too dangerose to try it again because of electrics. we dident tell buy as u view

 

i rushed out to argos and brought a new one in place of it so that we wouldnt get in any further trouble and they would be none the wiser. it was our fault so we just got one and i know its daft because we are paying twice now for it but the worrying thing is a freind of mine says that buy as u view will know its not the same one if they call round because there is a seriel number on every wii and it will not match the one we had off them and i will be sent to prison and the games what come with it are different to the ones what came with the first one

 

please can some one tell me what i must do i am haveing panick attacks worrying would they have the seriel number or is this just silly please help me

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hello no it is not a wind up i am worried about what will happen as we have got rid of the original wii and replaced it but my freind says they will check the seriel number when they come to my house is this true

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Why would they want to check the serial no. if you are paying?

 

Good point..what is making you think they will be coming to check ?

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OK assuming this isn't a wind up.

1) They are highly unlikely to ever do a serial number check, even if they came round to your house for whatever reason, they would most likely just see the unit and assume it was the one that they had supplied

2) If for whatever reason they take back or you return the goods then again a serial number check is highly unlikely, if they did do one and noticed the difference the fact they have got back a unit matching the description would likely negate further action, they would probably quietly decide that someone had noted the wrong number down.

Finally stop worrying, there is ZERO chance of you being sent to jail, ok you threw away property that wasn't yours but you have replaced it with an exact model so there is not attempt on your behalf to steal or defraud anyone.Just keep making the payments and nobody will be any the wiser

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yes i am paying and i am manageing allright at the moment but you never know what happens in the future and i was told they can come to check you still have the goods at any time so that is why i am worried i think its a bit unfair how every one is treating this as a joke i am new on hear and i was looking for help thanks any way

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Hi there, and welcome to the CAG

 

Bottom line is, the goods you have in your home from BAYV do not belong to you. You are only HIRING them with a view to owning them at the end of your HIRE PURCHASE (or rent to own) agreement.

 

I know it's a bit late now, but what you SHOULD have done was to notify BAYV that the item had been subjected to accidental damage, and no longer worked. Chances are (knowing BAYV as I do) you have been paying weekly on your account for additional insurance to cover this sort of thing.

 

I would be inclined to explain exactly what happened to BAYV. I'm sure this sort of thing has happened many times before. As I have already said, chances are you have been paying for an insurance policy with them anyway.

 

I wouldn't try passing off the replacement item you purchased as theirs, because it is not. It is YOURS.

 

Hope this helps.

 

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OK - apologies

 

Lefty is spot on, the console is yours.

 

They won't pay out on the insurance unless you still have the console and they examine it. Your OMC (warranty) will not cover the product but if you are paying their in house insurance that should cover accidental damage.

 

As for jail, in all my time with the company I was not aware of any person being taken to court and some people didn't make a single payment on goods ranging from large LCD TV's to sofas.

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Well heres my two pence worth ive had a buy as you view account since 2006 and had a refresh done in 2009 which means im stuck paying for stuff thats not mine until 2012.Anyway ....i have nothing that works now from buy as you view, i notified BAYV and they told me the warranty on the good has ran out ,its down to us to contact the manufacturer to see what they can do.I said well if none of the goods are mine you have a responsabilty to have them in working order(still no joy) so after much humming and harring having a broken cooker,hoover,nintendo ds,pc, wardrobe set and having the mround for an absolute age after replacing said items myself and trying buy as you view to do something...to no avail..i threw the items out becasue i dont have the space to keep all the items.Now im still paying for items that i dont use.Im not telling or advising you to do the same ,just letting you know of what happened to me wit ha load of broken items that BAYV said they would sort out(on this forum i might add to do wit hthe cooker but never did).There is only so much you can do.

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As recently reported,BAYV have made approaches to the CAG with firm interests to try and resolve complaints,and therefore have been sanctioned.

No doubt they will respond here,although I am pretty sure they wont want to be encouraging people to be going out buying replacement goods after theirs has been damaged.

Since we are not yet aware conclusive if insurance was in place,its hard to speculate.

I think for the purpose of clarity and future reference,it would maybe a good idea if the BAYV gave some measured response to this question.

I think it is unlikely that there will be a response on the open forum to that end in this particular case.

But a statement as to the considered course whether goods are insured or not would be nice to see.

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