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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi all,

 

I rcvd a letter from the compliance HMRC team, they found out that i claimed my income for 09/10 was £12,420 and but the figure from my employer was £28,760.

 

£28,760 was indeed my actual income. I have been asked to contact them urgently.I know am in in trouble, but am glad this is finally out. i have not been sleeping for days as i had been carrying this guilt with me since.

All these started when my child started nursery and all the WC +CTC +CHB used to pay for my child's Nursery fees. I am depressed, been crying as i don't know what to do.

 

Pls help. What do i say when i call the compliace team, will i go to prison?. will they notify my employer e.t.c?.....

 

I do not have any excuse, but i must say as i single working Mum, having to pay all the bills and getting my child to go to nursery while am at work, TC was my the only way to survive. i don't claim any other welfare benefits.

 

Please Advise me, what can i say to them when i call, or do i just keep quiet and let them send me an overpayment letter? does it work like that?.

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Hello Arike, welcome to the forum.

 

We're not here to judge, and you will get some help on how to approach this. I think you should contact them soon, as it will look better than just hiding. HMRC are never in the wrong, as they see it and you do have something to be concerned about here.

 

You will have to pay back the money, but I'd say prison is unlikely and usually a last resort. Have a read around the forum, because there have been lots of cases recently. Your local CAB should be able to advise you and have links with HMRC. I know someone was going to ask them to contact HMRC on their behalf, but I don't remember what happened.

 

Try not to worry too much, just go about sorting this now it's in the open.

 

I hope someone who's been through this will know what to say to the compliance team, or that the CAB will be able to help.

 

HB x

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Hello Arike, welcome to the forum.

 

We're not here to judge, and you will get some help on how to approach this. I think you should contact them soon, as it will look better than just hiding. HMRC are never in the wrong, as they see it and you do have something to be concerned about here.

 

You will have to pay back the money, but I'd say prison is unlikely and usually a last resort. Have a read around the forum, because there have been lots of cases recently. Your local CAB should be able to advise you and have links with HMRC. I know someone was going to ask them to contact HMRC on their behalf, but I don't remember what happened.

 

Try not to worry too much, just go about sorting this now it's in the open.

 

I hope someone who's been through this will know what to say to the compliance team, or that the CAB will be able to help.

 

HB x

 

 

Thanks for d quick response HB, I don't mind paying back, i know this will be very difficult. but will give me peace of mind. I cannot help worrying, i just hope i will get over this!!! Will they prosecute me?

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As you have committed fraud, there is a likelihood that they will prosecute.

 

The fact that they have found out your fraud, rather than you declaring it first will count against you.

 

I would take up legal advice ASAP.

 

Does depend how much it is for of course. Solicitor I just spoke to said they wont for under 2k. It's not cost effective. Although the OP is probably looking at more than that. But ex sis in law had a tax credit overpayment of 3k & just had to pay it back.

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From the information you have provided, this is a civil investigation not a criminal one. Prosecution for tax credits is extremely uncommon in comparison to other benefits. HMRC's policy for tax credit is to use civil recovery wherever possible, not prosecution. Their aim is to recover the funds overpaid. It appears they have written to you to invite you to provide a full disclosure. If you provide them with the correct information in full, the chances of it being transferred to the criminal investigators is slim to none, though they may charge you a penalty. Providing a full disclosure can also significantly reduce any penalty that they plan to charge.

 

Failure to respond or a partial disclosure can mean that the investigation may be transferred to the criminal investigations department. Otherwise if you respond with a full disclosure there is a high chance that all they will do is recover the overpayment and perhaps charge a penalty.

My advice is based on my opinion, my experience and my education. I do not profess to be an expert in any given field. If requested, I will provide a link where possible to relevant legislation or guidance, so that advice provided can be confirmed and I do encourage others to follow those links for their own peace of mind. Sometimes my advice is not what people necesserily want to hear, but I will advise on facts as I know them - although it may not be what a person wants to hear it helps to know where you stand. Advice on the internet should never be a substitute for advice from your own legal professional with full knowledge of your individual case.

 

 

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Thanks all. I will call them. I guess i need to give a full disclosure as i want to get this over and done with. i will pay any OP as i know i was wrong and had no excuse.

Kindly let me know, will I only have to repay any overpayment /and penalty and not get any criminal record or prosecution? (giving false/misleading information)

I am really scared. i would love to come out clean so i can carry on , it's as if my whole world is crumbling!!!!

 

Another question pls, can sm1 who is not eligible for WTC be entlttled to Child care element of WTC ,. and what income can you be getting to be ineligible for WTC?

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Another question pls, can sm1 who is not eligible for WTC be entlttled to Child care element of WTC ,. and what income can you be getting to be ineligible for WTC?

 

The cut off for WTC is around £18k. You can still claim child care costs if you receive no WTC due to income.

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Not totally referring to you OP, just in general, but how does that work, that someone can deliberately lie on a form to do with tax, gain thousands from it & not be prosecuted & end up with a criminal record, but someone that fails to notice errors on another benefit can be prosecuted & end up with a criminal record?

Strange world we live in....

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hi, i am in a similar postion to you. I had been claiming about £7000 too much in childcare over the last year. Payments were correct for about 2 months then dropped hours and childcare day's but didn't notify change in child care. This went on for 10 months! On friday I decided enough was enough, I wasnever caught or asked for details of childcare etc but I couldn't live with knowing what I had done. So I went to CAB admited everything, they called tax credits after I sorted my figures out and they were actually fine with it. The CAB advisor explained the more I put it off the more I felt I couldn't call and was falling into a dark hole of fraud :(

I couldn't sleep, eat or even think straight. I'd look at my kid's and cry convinced I was going to prison.

Basically I'm now awaiting a letter of overpayment, luckily I have half the money to pay back stright away the rest I'll have to skimp and save for the rest of the year to but right my wrong doing.

Please jut speak to them, they already know you've done wong, they will just want you to sort it out asap and start paying it back. However, I will add that telling them false information is worse that not telling them a change of circumstances as you have purposely misled them, but honesty really is the best policy. The chance of being taken to court for this is quite small judging by the cases on here

good luck xxx

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I do agree and found it amazing that it happens.

Normally the Tax man, (HMRC) goes for the jugular, one of the very few that would make a person bankrupt.

 

It's real strange isn't it. People fraudulantly claiming thousands, oh that's ok, it's not counted as fraud, you'll just have to pay it back. Where's the interview under caution?? Where's the threat to their job &/or any future chances of getting a job if they get taken to court, wheres the story splashed on the front page of the local rag, even giving the fraudsters address!?

Apparently there is a drop in fraudulant benefit claims in the last few years, I have my own theory on that, it's probably because they know now the tax credit one is an easier ride! lol

No offense to anyone on this thread, but it's all rse about face isn't it to be honest.

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Hi, i'm in similar position ,I have declared income of £12145 instead of £16107 and they found out.I recieved letter from CSSG from Irleand (bit confused as I live in UK)

Have responded to them admiting that I have done wrong and want to pay back everything I have been overpaid asap,today I recived another letter saing that they need to deal with the finalisation of my tax credit award for 2010-2011 I am confused! please advise me on this

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Hi

I have received a letter from the hmrc saying that they have selected my award for review and that there were some discrepencies in the claim, They have the amounts i have told them and the actual amounts they hold from 2010 and 2011 they said they are extending their enquiries to cover the earlier (2010) claim under section 20(4) whatever that is. i mistakenly told them my husbands wages were 16000 gave them the info for after tax not before, and they are actually 21000, also i didnt realise that u had to declare the tax my husband pay on his car, As i didnt realise u had to declare it as we dont actually recieve the money so why is it classed as income. so now his wages have gone up to 30,679.00 a year, This is for both years. i had the usual panic as i have read everyone has done. but phoned them the follwing day(im also sending a letter confirming this just incase they lose the phonecall) and explained to the lady on the phone all of this and admitted that it was my mistake (although its not very clear to people who dont understand tax etc). She told me not to worry, she said she would send the info on and they would change my claim etc.

 

As i said above im still waiting to hear from them,

 

Cp1978 have u had any payments go in since u let them know your situation ???

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