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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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So no explanation from you as to what a "Laundering Licence" is then? It must be a secret CCTV or you would have shared it with the rest of us.

 

Why answer any questions CCTV when you can make claims, without the need to back any of them up with facts that are verifiable? No links, nothing.......

 

 

Hip -Hop. why why do you need the feel to fight all the time. you are like a little kid. this thread has nothing to do with your problems why are you hindering others from getting info. it would be best if you just did your thing but dont question our advice. you have been doing it for a few months jeff has been dealing with bos for 27 years.

 

he has helped others on here and Hip-hop he never charged any of them a pennie. now you are putting that good faith from jeff into question as to why he sould even carry on he his here to help not fight with you.

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I am sure Anonymous Jeff can fight his own battles CCTV as he is a solicitor of 27 years' standing. But if you want to answer the question, what is a laundering Licence? Then Anonymous Jeff can continue to remain anonymous and the status quo can remain unchanged thereby,offering Anonymous Jeff the ability to continue his sterling probono work unchallenged.

 

You on the other hand CCTV, still need to answer the question posed by THFC1960 and myself...What is a Laundering Licence that you refer to in your advice, in this thread?

 

By the way, I am doing my thing by asking the question, and it does not, in any way,stop Anonymous Jeff being able to help others by doing my thing, but it does , with respect, reveal your complete unwillingness to clarify matters whenever you, (Not Anonymous Jeff), are challenged on certain aspects of your advice, either by myself, Applecart or Nicky Bodmin etc.

 

If it would help you to focus on answering the question at hand, I would willing to start a new thread with links to all those posts that have questioned your advice or those that have come up against a brick wall when they have asked you to confirm advice given previously? Or, you could save us the hassle and simply answer the question?

 

So you see, it is not hindering to get posters like yourself to clarify a point on this thread that you posted on, no matter how much you protest. And, as this is a public forum, where seekers of truth and clarity and debate, are in abundance, I am perfectly at liberty to question that or any advice whenever and however I choose, if it allows others to find clarity in threads, from any poster, whose advice adds confusion to the debate.

 

So, answer the question "What is a Laundering Licence?" for us Caggers that want clarification on your foggy wisdom CCTVAnd I will move on to do my thing elsewhere. Or, if you are unable or still unwilling, why not get Anonymous Jeff to answer the question instead.... Or simply retract that a Laundering Licence is part of the process.

 

Either way, clear up your confusion.

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like i have said to you in reply to your email . our solicitor who has delt with bill of sales since 1983 does know what he his talking about and when he sees a case on here he will act. 5 members he has contacted and have won. lets take stubs you havent seen the outcome on the forum thats all done and dusted. trooper has had a judgment sent to him by me. and i have it here which is the same case as THFC 1960 and we are giving good info.

 

Hi CCTV can you advise/post me the judgment that you sent Trooper that you say is the same case as mine. Thank you so much.

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I am sure Anonymous Jeff can fight his own battles CCTV as he is a solicitor of 27 years' standing. But if you want to answer the question, what is a laundering Licence? Then Anonymous Jeff can continue to remain anonymous and the status quo can remain unchanged thereby,offering Anonymous Jeff the ability to continue his sterling probono work unchallenged.

 

You on the other hand CCTV, still need to answer the question posed by THFC1960 and myself...What is a Laundering Licence that you refer to in your advice, in this thread?

 

By the way, I am doing my thing by asking the question, and it does not, in any way,stop Anonymous Jeff being able to help others by doing my thing, but it does , with respect, reveal your complete unwillingness to clarify matters whenever you, (Not Anonymous Jeff), are challenged on certain aspects of your advice, either by myself, Applecart or Nicky Bodmin etc.

 

If it would help you to focus on answering the question at hand, I would willing to start a new thread with links to all those posts that have questioned your advice or those that have come up against a brick wall when they have asked you to confirm advice given previously? Or, you could save us the hassle and simply answer the question?

 

So you see, it is not hindering to get posters like yourself to clarify a point on this thread that you posted on, no matter how much you protest. And, as this is a public forum, where seekers of truth and clarity and debate, are in abundance, I am perfectly at liberty to question that or any advice whenever and however I choose, if it allows others to find clarity in threads, from any poster, whose advice adds confusion to the debate.

 

So, answer the question "What is a Laundering Licence?" for us Caggers that want clarification on your foggy wisdom CCTVAnd I will move on to do my thing elsewhere. Or, if you are unable or still unwilling, why not get Anonymous Jeff to answer the question instead.... Or simply retract that a Laundering Licence is part of the process.

 

Either way, clear up your confusion.

 

 

Hip-hop again you just want to fight . i dont understand it. i wish a team leader would switch you off or just leave our posts alone.

 

we have contacted THFC1960. and we will call THFC1960 tomorrow.

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Hip-hop again you just want to fight . i dont understand it. i wish a team leader would switch you off or just leave our posts alone.

 

we have contacted THFC1960. and we will call THFC1960 tomorrow.

 

CCTV what is there to fight about? You post a point about a Laundering Licence. Two forum members ask you to qualify what a Laundering Licence is and you don't answer. What is it you are having difficulty understanding. The question or that you don't have the answer? How are these posts and threads exclusive to you Tom. Am I missing something?

 

I would be Happy to move on when you have switched on and answered the simple question. What is a Laundering Licence?....... Simples

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CCTV what is there to fight about? You post a point about a Laundering Licence. Two forum members ask you to qualify what a Laundering Licence is and you don't answer. What is it you are having difficulty understanding. The question or that you don't have the answer? How are these posts and threads exclusive to you Tom. Am I missing something?

 

I would be Happy to move on when you have switched on and answered the simple question. What is a Laundering Licence?....... Simples

 

 

 

a simple google ............. ok i have done it for you. but i dont understand why you should need it as it has nothing to do with your problem. you are either fighting lbl for your loan or your going to start your own fight against what licence they have or not.

http://www.oft.gov.uk/business-advice/offering-credit/

 

also when people ask for info i pm it to them ...........so please dont think we have not answered there post.

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a simple google ............. ok i have done it for you. but i dont understand why you should need it as it has nothing to do with your problem. you are either fighting lbl for your loan or your going to start your own fight against what licence they have or not.

http://www.oft.gov.uk/business-advice/offering-credit/

 

also when people ask for info i pm it to them ...........so please dont think we have not answered there post.

It wasn't for me CCTV. I won my court judgment battle on the day, remember?

 

I have read the link thoroughly and yet again, you have got it wrong.

 

Unfortunately, this is becoming a regular occurence. It's in the detail and your personal misinterpretation of that detail CCTV and the lengths you go to, to avoid answering any challenge to your advice based on that misinterpretation, that is just so damaging and totally frustrating when it is found to be wrong.

 

The lack of attention to detail in some of your postings is key to why some of us challenge your advice, not your intentionsCCTV, which I believe to always be honourable .

 

A Consumer Credit Licence is not a "Laundering Licence" no matter where in a posting you slip that term in, because Tom, a " Laundering Licence" does not in its own right, exist.

 

It's nowhere to be found in the OFT link you left. Nor will you find a "Laundering Licence" as a separate legal licence on any search engine outside the OFT.

It is simply, a non legal term that you made up and have included in your posts, and that is why your personal advice is being challenged, not the advice of a Anonymous Jeff the solicitor.

 

I don't ask questions because I need your advice CCTV but so that others are spared going on another wild CCTV goose chase trying to match your misinterpreted details whether it's in terms/muddled acts or your made up legal terms. No one should be exposed to unneccessary searches because of your confused legal interpretations.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, but your previous lackadaisical approach in your use of legalese irrespective of its legal correctness, may mean nothing to the casual reader, but to those looking for pertinent guidance, it is key to not wasting valuable time searching for legal definitions on the web that don't exist, such as :-

 

1. Your 8 Year max Legal Rule for Bills of Sale on vehicles - Ring any bells?

 

2. Your misinterpretation of when the 7 clear days starts Rule on registering a Bill Of Sale, ring another bell?

 

3. Your reference to a non-existing Bill Of Sales Act 1925 Ring another bell?

 

All these terms/Interpretations that were posted as fact, exposed as incorrect and misleading. All were included in your posts CCTV.

 

As well intentioned as you are CCTV, on occasion your wrongly detailed legal advice does muddle and confuse others and cause a lot of frustration.

 

It is regrettable that you didn't take the first opportunity offered by THFC1960 at POST 13 in this thread to respond quickly, electing, rather deliberately to being provocative by waiting until POST 33, to finally reveal your original source for the term "Laundering Licence".

 

You could have saved yourself and THFC1960 and I a lot of time and aggrevation.

 

Hiding behind (an Anonymous) Jeff the solicitor, does not give you the right to peddle legal nonsense which is what a "Laundering Licence" eventually turned out to be.

 

We can move on. But you simply can not repeat these transgressions CCTV and not expect to be challenged. When and if you are CCTV, accept it like an adult, and look to benefit the whole community by clarifying when asked, rather than taking every challenge as a personal affront to your well meaning intentions.

 

The forum isn't here to massage our egos nor to initiate "fights", it is here to help and advise people who are desperately looking for answers/advice and guidance under normally very stressful situations. Advice that will help them in their quest to overturn where possible, unlawful seizures, unlawful Bills of Sale etc. Anything that detracts from that is unwelcomed.

 

Your Solicitor (Anonymous Jeff) is welcomed to post advice CCTV but a working qualified solicitor of over 27 years' (Bill of Sales) standing I assume has better thing to do than that?

 

That, doesn't mean you can post unqualified legal nonsense, however well intentioned.

 

PleaseCCTV make absolutely certain in future, that you are quoting the right legal information in your posts as the alternative is watching threads unfold when advice is not able to be independently verified when needed.

 

Also, your quick reactions in a timly fashion, when other Caggers challenge your advice, would also be welcomed as it would have been on this thread.

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Hi THFC1960 Good luck with your endeavours. I hope the judgment that CCTV sent to Trooper and which he states is a similar case to yours, is forthcoming and helpful.

 

Sorry that your thread was used to make a point but I am sure that you appreciate, that well intentioned individuals like CCTV must be held responsible for what they post regardless if they mean well or not.

 

We must all be accountable for our actions and postings and that includes myself. We all have a collective responsibility to make sure that our advice and help to others, culminates in the same aim, victories against Logbook Loans and Nine Regions Ltd! Anything else just serves to help them, which is why I feel so strongly when I see advice that just confuses and does not explain and advance the argument/point made.

 

If that temporarily upsets a fellow Cagger then that is unfortunate, nevertheless, we must keep ourselves in check, our enemies have huge reserves to play with and substantial legal resources, our fellow victims do not. So we owe it to them to be ultra careful when advising.

I, like CCTV, Applecart, Trooper68 and all my fellow Caggers, am passionate that Log Book and their cohorts get all that they deserve.

 

Good Luck THFC1960!

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Hi,

 

Wonderful site! Have been reading lots-Gosh there is a lot to read isn't there?

 

Read various threads about Nine Regions Ltd trading as Log Book Loans lending the sum with a Bill of Sale as security on our cars, but also read that if the payments go to Log Book Loans Ltd, this is money laundering as they are a separate company and have no entitlement to the security of the Bill of Sale nor the payment as the Consumer Credit Agreement does not have the other company "Log Book Loans Ltd" as party to the agreement.

 

So, got checking. My paying in book is made out to Nine Regions Ltd but I have been making sporadic payments by debit card. On checking my bank statements the payments show up as going to logbook.co.uk What does this mean in legal terms, web domain? Does this mean my payment went to Nine Regions Ltd or Log Book Loans Ltd or somewher completly different? I don't want to call them and tip them off if anyone knows differently.

 

Also paid an agent independently last year, again by debit card and it went to a company called FRADS? which shows up as recovery agents when I checked them up on the internet. My statement and all correspondence have all these credits listed to my account as normal but gives no indication of any other company or companies other than Nine Regions Ltd at the bottom of all correspondence. Can any one help me understand if I have been a victim of money laundering or not? Thank you

 

Also tried to edit title of thread to put an n in Laundering, but it won't let me LOL

 

Barbara

 

Hi Ya

 

Have a look here http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/mlr/reportsuspicion.htm

 

This site is a link to the HMRC website - so that if you believe a company is acting suspiciously and you fear money laundering is going on - it appears that HMRC may be interested in looking into the organisation.

 

Certain Companies involved in the business of finance must register with HMRC under the Money Laundering Regulations (reg 2007) - I did a quick check on the register for both Log Book Loans Ltd and Nine Regions Ltd - they appear not to be registered at all......

 

To make an assertion one way or the other as to whether these companies are laundering money would not be our place as consumers - but the bodies who would be interested are HMRC and Customs.

 

 

Apple : )

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Hi THFC1960 Good luck with your endeavours. I hope the judgment that CCTV sent to Trooper and which he states is a similar case to yours, is forthcoming and helpful.

 

Sorry that your thread was used to make a point but I am sure that you appreciate, that well intentioned individuals like CCTV must be held responsible for what they post regardless if they mean well or not.

 

We must all be accountable for our actions and postings and that includes myself. We all have a collective responsibility to make sure that our advice and help to others, culminates in the same aim, victories against Logbook Loans and Nine Regions Ltd! Anything else just serves to help them, which is why I feel so strongly when I see advice that just confuses and does not explain and advance the argument/point made.

 

If that temporarily upsets a fellow Cagger then that is unfortunate, nevertheless, we must keep ourselves in check, our enemies have huge reserves to play with and substantial legal resources, our fellow victims do not. So we owe it to them to be ultra careful when advising.

I, like CCTV, Applecart, Trooper68 and all my fellow Caggers, am passionate that Log Book and their cohorts get all that they deserve.

 

Good Luck THFC1960!

 

Gentlemen Please!!!

 

I've provided the link for the consumer - all well that ends well : )

 

Apple : )

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Thank you Apple for your link, your clear and concise rationale behind the advice, and interestingly, not a "Laundering Certificate" to be found anywhere?

 

That folks, is why his advice is sought, because he never makes a confusing point, statement or unvalidated guess,which is what we all search for when looking for help and advice on the CAG forum

 

That is what you get when one deals with the Apple! Thank you to the scholar and gentleman that you are.

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Thank you Apple for your clear link and clear and concise advice. Helpful as always, never a confusing point, statement or unvalidated guess in sight when one deals with the Apple! Thank you to the scholar and gentleman that you are.

 

Thank you - I'm humbled.............

 

We all get there in the end : )

 

Apple

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also when people ask for info i pm it to them ...........so please dont think we have not answered there post.

 

Question for THFC1960 please can you confirm that you are now in receipt of the judgment that CCTV and his /Anonymous Jeff the Bill of Sales Solicitor have supposedly in their possession and promise to PM when posted to do so, as in your case on his 24th October posting above?

 

Please do not reveal any of the judgment information received on the forum, as you never know whom or what is an LBL tout. I only ask for forum clarfication purposes, as many others have not been posted the promised judgments previously and this would be bad show if it continues unmonitored to be the norm.

 

It also allows site leaders to monitor if there are any issues with fellow caggers offering false promises of information by soliciting for personal information and thereby compromising the CAG.

 

THFC1960 Just post "have received judgment" to assist other forum members so that they can be assured that their requests will be met in a timely fashion too, if they request info off of CCTV.

 

I am sure that all info will be forthcoming but we look forward to getting your confirmation by return

 

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No I haven't received it and have emailed and PM'd CCTV too but nothing in over 5 days. I think I will be one of many expecting a lot but receiving very little, for my patience. Will update you as soon as I hear anything

 

Question for THFC1960 please can you confirm that you are now in receipt of the judgment that CCTV and his /Anonymous Jeff the Bill of Sales Solicitor have supposedly in their possession and promise to PM when posted to do so, as in your case on his 24th October posting above?

 

Please do not reveal any of the judgment information received on the forum, as you never know whom or what is an LBL tout. I only ask for forum clarfication purposes, as many others have not been posted the promised judgments previously and this would be bad show if it continues unmonitored to be the norm.

 

It also allows site leaders to monitor if there are any issues with fellow caggers offering false promises of information by soliciting for personal information and thereby compromising the CAG.

 

THFC1960 Just post "have received judgment" to assist other forum members so that they can be assured that their requests will be met in a timely fashion too, if they request info off of CCTV.

 

I am sure that all info will be forthcoming but we look forward to getting your confirmation by return

 

Regards

 

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Hi Hip_Hop it appears you were correct in your assessment.

 

 

 

It would appear, I too have been the victim of CCTV Engineer’s, - “If it appears too good to be true, than it is likely to be just that”, School of nonsense.

 

Unfortunately, I did not heed in time, the warnings of other members to this site like ST220, Nicky Bodmin, HIP_HOP, Applecart and others.

 

You don’t do you, when visiting a forum like this, because you just think it champions just causes for the consumer?

 

I thought it was simply people, helping other people on this site to get justice? But it is now obvious that there are mind games and brinkmanship at hand, Not everyone is, who they say they are, and offers of help and advice are on occasion just empty gestures of promises of everything but, the delivery of nothing.

 

Whatever the incentives at play was that persuaded CCTV to write me an email that suggested he was Jeff the Solicitor, only he can reveal. But write he did.

The same Solicitor, who CCTV states is connected to the OFT case against the Log Book Loan Company?

There is no doubt that this will back fire with disastrous consequences when this is now made public. Hopefully for others, he will not pull the same trick twice.

 

No wonder CCTV feigns connection to a solicitor with 27 years Bill of Sales experience! He is that solicitor!

 

I have included below, that email from CCTV’s (Tom’s) personal yahoo email at 22:57:25 at night!

 

I had been so wrapped up in what is going on around me, that it took my friend to point out that solicitor’s simply don’t normally send out emails at that time of night.

 

They wouldn’t send emails from an unconnected personal yahoo account. And most definitely, would not write such an unprofessional email to an individual that has not been instructed by them and simply sign of as Jeff!

 

The email is littered with spelling mistakes, which I can now see is Tom’s (CCTV’s) trademark and is simply signed Jeff as mentioned above. This is the same Jeff that I now read that Hip_Hop has been questioning whether he exists or not?

 

If such a person exists, it is surely not the person in the email below, nor does Tom/CCTV have a relationship with him to the extent that the solicitor needs to use Tom’s personal yahoo email account late at night, to post questions to prospective client’s who have not instructed him,?

Unless of course, you are on another agenda like Tom is than all rules are off?

 

I wouldn’t ordinarily comment on a public forum instead jut electing to move on but this is simply wrong.

 

Others may not think it matters. That CCTV is simply offering an opinion that we can all just take or leave. Where’s the harm in that?

But I trusted that opinion because of his self styled expertise; after all, he got his case dismissed against Log Book, had connections with the OFT Solicitor? Was an expert witness for the OFT? All these things built his credibility up in my eyes. Now I question what, if anything, is real in his world of OFT and Log Book?

 

I seriously now doubt anything he states as being fact.

 

Maybe someone like the IMS guy can make contact with OFT and can find out why CCTV is pretending to be the solicitor in the OFT case?

 

Are the Moderators of this forum aware of the exploits this member is up to?

 

To offer opinions as part of a general discussion is one thing but to systematically offer a judgment of value and then pretend to be the lawyer, who has this judgment in hand, is upsetting for questioners like me looking for solutions to my problems.

 

I am not sure what can really be done about this other than to warn others by posting the evidence for all to see.

 

I have posted below the relevant PM’s sent and received and also emails swapped. No content has been changed with the exception of a small typo which was corrected for the reader in red and the IMPOSTER ALERT that I also highlighted in red, so that other members can easily identify Tom’s/CCTV’s poor attempt to convince me that he was Jeff the Solicitor!

 

 

I have protected CCTV’s email address to protect his identity but unfortunately he didn’t offer me any protection against wasting over a week of my time.

 

Unfortunately I don’t think I will be continuing my interest with the forum as the whole experience has left me feeling pretty deflated by action of one of its members.

 

The lack of any real communication from Tom/CCTV in over 5 days, despite repeated PM’s and emails should have been a warning too and the PM to tell me not to let Hip_Hop in on the judgment. Now I know why. Well it will not happen again!

 

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like i have said to you in reply to your email . our solicitor who has delt with bill of sales since 1983 does know what he his talking about and when he sees a case on here he will act. 5 members he has contacted and have won. lets take stubs you havent seen the outcome on the forum thats all done and dusted. trooper has had a judgment sent to him by me. and i have it here which is the same case as THFC 1960 and we are giving good info.

 

Hi CCTV can you advise/post me the judgment that you sent Trooper that you say is the same case as mine. Thank you so much.

 

 

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Hi CCTV can you advise/post me the judgment that you sent Trooper that you say is the same case as mine. Thank you so much.

 

Hi THfc1960 i will pm you contact details.

 

 

 

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Hi.

 

Hi please send your detail to the following email and we will arrange a time to talk.

 

regards Tom.

 

tom*****@yahoo.com

 

 

 

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Sent: Mon, 25 October, 2010 16:35:49

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Hi Tom,

 

Thank you for your PM

 

I look forward to receiving the judgment that you are in receipt of.

 

It was encouraging to read that it is the same judgment that you sent to Trooper's for the same case.

 

I feel so relieved that by having this judgment, I will be able to stop Paying logbookloans.co.uk when I have a Bill of Sale and Consumer Credit Agreement made between Nine Regions and myself.

 

Really appreciate your help with providing the judgment.

 

I know that I will be able to reference the judgment to get the agreement made void or a similar outcome to Trooper?

 

Bless you.

 

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Hi THFC1960. jeff will see your email tomorrow. he is only there in work hours. but he will only send it with names taken away except for the judges name.

 

please do not post it back onto the forum and never pass info onto hip-hop as trooper myself and spud all think he is lbl

 

 

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From: THFC1960

Subject: Fw: CAG PM

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Date: Wednesday, 27 October, 2010, 12:07

 

Hi Tom,

 

Thank you for your PM on Monday evening.

 

The waiting is causing me anxiety as I have not yet received anything from Tom. ? (Typo Should be Jeff)

 

Is everything O.K, does he have my email address?

 

Kindest regards

 

THFC1960

 

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THFC1960

 

Hello.

 

sorry my name is jeff. Tom has passed some details on to me about your problems with logbook loans.

 

what i understand is you have been paying a company called logbook loans and your bill of sale is with nine regions.

 

we have looked at too cases were this has come to light. Toms own case and simon from the forum.

 

can you send me a bit more information. items to look out for. which is the name of the solicitor on your bill of sale . areas ----manchester-bolton-wigan-north liverpool-stockport. most around the north west area we can make the bill of sale void.

 

i have only spoken with Tom over the phone for a short time about your problem. so

can you please just give me a quick run down about your problem.

 

Jeff.

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Hi CCTV Engineer,

 

I havent heard from Jeff on when he is posting the judgment? Is everything OK?

 

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Hi THFC. i do know he has spoken with you but how far he has got i dont know .............. he was with oft for two days last week and i wont see him till monday. i will ask him then.

 

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Thanks CCTV, I was beginning to get worried.

 

He hasn't spoken with me only emailed me.

 

Do you think he will be able to let me have the judgment with personal details deleted monday after you have seen him, as I am really anxious to get matters moving as quickly as possible?

 

I don't as you know need anything else at the mo but am really grateful for your help and assistance. Don't see why they should get another payment to logbookloans.co.uk, if Jeff has the judgment to stop this.

 

Every day is one day closer to another payment that is going to crooks not to the Lender I signed up with.

 

Gosh, hadn't realised how late it is, so off to bed, hope to hear from you soon,

 

Keep well.

 

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Hope you are well. I am nearly fit to burst in anticipation.

 

When can I expect to see the edited judgment Tom

 

Best regards

 

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Hmmm!!

 

All very suspicious.... For a lawyer Jeffs grammer and spelling is appaling!!

 

I really don't know what to make of all this with CCTV. If he is just having us all on, he's certainly managed to pull the wool over some respected caggers eyes. It also seems like he's managed to convince one or two that genuine caggers are the enemy.

 

Leaves a very bad taste!! :(

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Thanks Applecart. So no Certificate of Laundering?

 

Hi Ya

 

It appears that is the case.

 

Having said that - if you or anyone is considering sueing or defending a claim against Nine Regions Ltd; and you suspect that there is more than 1 trading name (or you are aware that there is) then, you must sue them in the following way:

 

'Nine Regions Ltd t/as Log Book Loan/Log Book Loans Ltd'....

 

It is not up to you to consider the merits behind what they choose to call themselves as such - just to be sure that you as a consumer have had your account handled by the lender 'trading as' the various names that you can evidence on your bank statements, agreements and bill of sale - am I making sense?

 

Try not to get caught up in the detail - this only takes away from what your main issue may be - if a Company is not trading correctly or within the regulations as specified - then you report this to the OFT or Trading Standards or their known association to fight that battle - your concern is what directly affects you - what I mean is - the fact they may not have a laundering licence is an issue for Customs and you would report the issue to customs - the fact they do not operate within the terms of their credit licence is an issue for the OFT and so on.....

 

On a personal level - you can fight them directly in a county court - but be wary as to the particulars of your claim - don't put a Judge in a position where he thinks 'this is nothing to do with me'.....

 

Apple : )

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Hi,

 

Wonderful site! Have been reading lots-Gosh there is a lot to read isn't there?

 

Read various threads about Nine Regions Ltd trading as Log Book Loans lending the sum with a Bill of Sale as security on our cars, but also read that if the payments go to Log Book Loans Ltd, this is money laundering as they are a separate company and have no entitlement to the security of the Bill of Sale nor the payment as the Consumer Credit Agreement does not have the other company "Log Book Loans Ltd" as party to the agreement.

 

So, got checking. My paying in book is made out to Nine Regions Ltd but I have been making sporadic payments by debit card. On checking my bank statements the payments show up as going to logbook.co.uk What does this mean in legal terms, web domain? Does this mean my payment went to Nine Regions Ltd or Log Book Loans Ltd or somewher completly different? I don't want to call them and tip them off if anyone knows differently.

 

Also paid an agent independently last year, again by debit card and it went to a company called FRADS? which shows up as recovery agents when I checked them up on the internet. My statement and all correspondence have all these credits listed to my account as normal but gives no indication of any other company or companies other than Nine Regions Ltd at the bottom of all correspondence. Can any one help me understand if I have been a victim of money laundering or not? Thank you

 

Also tried to edit title of thread to put an n in Laundering, but it won't let me LOL

 

Barbara

 

Hi Ya

 

I don't think you have been a victim of 'money laundering' at all.

 

Nine Regions Ltd - Log Book Loans Ltd are both trading names of the same company.

 

Like you said...... 'FRAD' in your instance is the Recovery Company - an Agent acting on behalf of Nine Regions Ltd who also 'trade as' Log Book Loans/Ltd.

 

I have posted a different reply that seeks to explain how as a consumer you would deal with this issue if you had to take or defend the matter in a court of law.

 

It would seem that the recovery agents have no direct association with the lender other than as an independantly instructed agent to recover the debt - so you would not add their name in a claim - if you wanted to sue them - you would sue them without adding a 'trading as' element.

 

Hope this further clarifies matters for you?

 

Apple : )

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