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    • I have also found this:  D.2 Service of a PCN by post: 54) There are some circumstances in which a PCN (under Regulation 10) may be served by post: 1) where the contravention has been detected on the basis of evidence from an approved device (approved devices may only be used in limited circumstances) 2) if the CEO has been prevented, for example by force, threats of force, obstruction or violence, from serving the PCN either by affixing it to the vehicle or by giving it to the person who appears to be in charge of that vehicle 3) if the CEO had started to issue the PCN but did not have enough time to finish or serve it before the vehicle was driven away and would otherwise have to write off or cancel the PCN 55) In any of these circumstances a PCN is served by post to the owner and also acts as the NtO. The Secretary of State recommends that postal PCNs should be sent within 14 days of the contravention. Legislation states that postal PCNs must be sent within 28 days, unless otherwise stated in the Regulations. This from London Councils Code of Practice on Civil Parking Enforcement.  The question is what is an approved device? Certainly, he had the opportunity to place the ticket on my car and I didn't drive away.  I looked further and it seems that an approved device is a CCTV camera - It seems that the photos taken were not actual film but images and it is not clear if they are taken from a video or are stills. I'm guessing if it was moving images then the SAR would have stated this.    From the Borough of Hounslow website: "There are two types of PCN issued under the Traffic Management Act 2004, which governs parking contraventions. The first is served on-street by a Civil Enforcement Officer, who will observe a vehicle and collect evidence before serving the PCN either by placing it in a plastic wallet under the windscreen wiper, or by handing it to the driver. The second is a PCN served by post, based on CCTV footage taken by an approved device, which has been reviewed by a trained CCTV Operator."   From Legislation.gov.uk regarding approved devices: Approved Devices 4.  A device is an approved device for the purposes of these Regulations if it is of a type which has been certified by the Secretary of State as one which meets requirements specified in Schedule 1. SCHEDULE 1Specified requirements for approved devices 1.  The device must include a camera which is— (a)securely mounted on a vehicle, a building, a post or other structure, (b)mounted in such a position that vehicles in relation to which relevant road traffic contraventions are being committed can be surveyed by it, (c)connected by secure data links to a recording system, and (d)capable of producing in one or more pictures, a legible image or images of the vehicle in relation to which a relevant road traffic contravention was committed which show its registration mark and enough of its location to show the circumstances of the contravention. 2.  The device must include a recording system in which— (a)recordings are made automatically of the output from the camera or cameras surveying the vehicle and the place where a contravention is occurring, (b)there is used a secure and reliable recording method that records at a minimum rate of 5 frames per second, (c)each frame of all captured images is timed (in hours, minutes and seconds), dated and sequentially numbered automatically by means of a visual counter, and (d)where the device does not occupy a fixed location, it records the location from which it is being operated. 3.  The device and visual counter must— (a)be synchronised with a suitably independent national standard clock; and (b)be accurate within plus or minus 10 seconds over a 14-day period and re-synchronised to the suitably independent national standard clock at least once during that period. 4.  Where the device includes a facility to print a still image, that image when printed must be endorsed with the time and date when the frame was captured and its unique number. 5.  Where the device can record spoken words or other audio data simultaneously with visual images, the device must include a means of verifying that, in any recording produced by it, the sound track is correctly synchronised with the visual image.
    • Hearing took place today.  Case dismissed with costs awarded. Neither UKPC or a representative turned up.  Apparently they messaged the court on 7 May asking for their case to be considered on paper.  Never informed me, which was criticised by the judge as not following procedure.  I was really annoyed as I would have preferred for the case to be thrown out before the hearing, or at least face them in court and see them squeal.   They are just playing a numbers game and hope you blink 1st!   Ended up having to change my flight, but  the costs awarded softens the blow. Was asked to confirm it was my signature on both the witness statement and supplementary statement.  Wasn't asked to read them, said she could see my arguments made and the signs were insufficient and no contract formed. Took maybe 10 mins in total.  Judge did most of the talking and was best for me just to keep quiet or confirm any statements made. Happy to have won as a matter of principle and have costs awarded. Maybe not worth all the time and hassle for any newbies or the technologically challenged.  But if you are stubborn like me and willing to put in the time and effort, you can beat these vultures! I big shout out to everyone who helped on the thread with their advice and guidance, special mention to FTMDave, thank you sir!  Really appreciate everyone's efforts. All the best!
    • I plan to be honest to avoid any further trouble, tell them that the name should be changed to my official name
    • There is no evidence that I was issued a PCN that was placed on the car and removed. It seems that I was issued a £60 PCN on the 8th of March (the parking date) but it was never placed on my car, instead,  they allege that they posted the PCN on the 13th of March and deemed delivered on the 15th. I never got this 1st £60 PCN demand. I only know about all of this through the SAR. I only received the second PCN demanding £100, which was deemed delivered on 16/04/2024 - that is 39 days after the parking incident.  I did a little research and "Legislation states that postal PCNs must be sent within 28 days, unless otherwise stated in the Regulations." as per London Councils Code of Practice on Civil Parking Enforcement.  The main issue is that I was not aware of the 1st £60 PCN as I didn't receive it - I'm not sure how this relates to the 28-day rule because that rule applies to the initial £60 PCN. PCM could say that "we sent him the letter by post and it was deemed delivered on the 15th of March" therefore the 28-day rule does not apply.  As regards the safety of the parking attendant, that is clearly something he chose to feel and he made the decision that his safety was threatened - I didn't even see him or had any interaction with him. I'm nearly 50 and I definitely don't look aggressive 😊  
    • okay will do. I'll let you know if anything transpires but once again - many thanks
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Hi Guys,

 

Back in May a sales person from Swinton called me because I have my car insurance through them, and talked me into house insurance.

 

But by the time the documents turned up, I'd changed my mind and never signed the policy or CCA, and didn't return anything.

 

Now they are trying to charge me £50 for cancelling a policy I never wanted, never signed for and have not paid anything for BECAUSE I havn't returned the policy documents.

 

I just called them, and they say I have signed a CCA for my car insurance, but surely this is for my CAR insurance, and surely I have to sign and agree to the house contents BEFORE they set it up.

 

Gary

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You can arrange an Insurance contract by phone, but if they phoned you, then the distance selling rules apply. You would have needed to contact them to cancel within 7 days. See the link below.

Distance Selling Regulations - The Office of Fair Trading

 

What does sound strange is that Swinton were willing to send you the documents, before you paid anything. I am sure that this would not be a standard practice of Swinton and they would have asked for a deposit premium to be paid, plus your acccount details to pay monthly.

 

I think you should complain to Swinton, that the person who phoned you, arranged the policy on the basis, that if you wanted to continue cover, you had to return the signed documents. You did not return the documents, as you did not want the policy. Hopefully Swinton will listen back to the phone call and realise their mistake. They should cancel from inception and waive any charges. Advise them they you will enter a complaint and pass to the FOS, if you are hassled by this any further. If you go to the FOS, Swinton would be charged a £500 case fee by the FOS and it would cost you nothing.

 

The Home Contents policy would be a totally seperate contract to the existing Car Insurance, so I don't know why they mentioned that.

 

As a by the way. I really recommend that when your Car Insurance is due for renewal that you move your cover away from them. They have a very poor reputation for being extremely akward if you needed to claim and employ staff for such short period they never gain any experience.

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I am having the same trouble with Swinton over the renewal of my house insurance policy. I told them to send me the conditions in writing as I am not able to deal over the phone (they do ramble on) and told them I didn't want it the day the documents arrived. They want £50 and the insurance wasn't due to start until the following month. I am being harassed on both my mobile and my ex-directory telephone number. I am not well and am not up to dealing with this.

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The last contact I had with Swindles Debt Collector was a letter I sent them asking them to remove all phone numbers from their files as I would only communicate via post, and that I would not be paying any monies unless ordered to do so by a court, and that any harassment would be pointless and logged in a diary to present when the time came for a court case.

 

Not heard a thing since.

 

They are Bullies who try to make money by making you think you owe for a cancellation and then setting the hounds on 7 days after first writing to you.

 

I will NEVER use Swindle ever again, and have warned my family against them

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I had a similar experience to you. You are not alone, believe me. If you have NEVER SIGNED an agreement on the household insurance policy then they will have difficult pursuing you. The policy IS not been fully executeD until it is signed by both parties. Read the CCA! They would have to argue it out in court. But I doubt it would get to court! You must write a letter to them asking for them to prove that you signed a credit agreement for the home insurance. If you never signed it chances are they can't produce it unless they fraudulent copy your car insurance signature. Which is totally illegal and criminal and you should report them to the police! They are notorious for not fully executing insurance policies, because people forget to return their credit agreements. But what people then forget is they are not fully insured! Swinton won't bother telling you, they will charge you £24 for not signing it and not tell you either - they just say your not covered - your fault for not returning you signed agreement! Please see your outgoing monthly repayments you have been making on you bank statement if you pay monthly - they are more than likely to put the charge up on the car insurance so they have probably taken it anyway. My best advise is to complain the the Consumer Direct - they'll contact you - write a brief complaint on their website and also complain to the OFT and ring the FSO and complain to them. Only they can do anything. They need evidence to take action against this rotten company before they can do anything. My advise to everyone out their. STAY AWAY FROM SWINTON.

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Hi Smartcard,

 

Don't worry, I got them sorted, a few months ago I had a DCA letter and emailed them to ask what it was for (it only had amounts no client) and when they said it was for Swindles I told them that I disputed the debt and that I would not be paying any monies unless ordered to do so by a court and also for good measure added the CAG doorstep letter to it in case they felt like popping in to see me.

 

Haven't heard a thing since

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