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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Foolishgirl - thanks to you also. I meant by paying it off that if I cleared the full balance within the 30 day period is it then removed, or has that option now been crossed out because I 'accepted' the debt?

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I meant by paying it off that if I cleared the full balance within the 30 day period is it then removed, or has that option now been crossed out because I 'accepted' the debt?

 

It would depend on the wording of the order. AIUI the order has assumed the instalment agreement you came to with the Claimant so if you were now to decide to pay it off in full within a specified period to avoid the CCJ, I think you would have to apply for a variation. Vint may know if it's possible.

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It would depend on the wording of the order. AIUI the order has assumed the instalment agreement you came to with the Claimant so if you were now to decide to pay it off in full within a specified period to avoid the CCJ, I think you would have to apply for a variation. Vint may know if it's possible.
You may be able to get a variation, but I doubt if you will get the CCJ removed, without going for a set aside and successful defence of the claim.

 

You have admitted the debt to the court and they have given judgement in favour of the claimant.

 

It may be worth ringing Northampton in the morning, to see what the status of the claim is.

 

If you receive certain benefits, the fee will be waived, but you will need a letter from the benefits agencey, confirming that you are in receipt of those.

 

The forms are available for download frrom the moneyclaim site.

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I've also just noticed on the "Judgment for Claimant" letter that the "Defendant's Date of Birth" box is blank - any wriggle-room there anybody?

 

You're clutching at straws there! IMO the answer is no.

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Ok, thanks everybody, looks like I've no option other than to go for the set aside. I've already written to Cohens to basically ask if they want to say anything before I do so, but I'm not expecting any response given their apparent disregard for protocol thus far.

 

I'll update as and when just in case anybody's still interested!

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Still no final decision from the potential employers, so at least it's not entirely dead in the water yet......

 

I think I may have to rediscover religion and the power of prayer! At least that will please my mother......

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Still no final decision from the potential employers, so at least it's not entirely dead in the water yet......

 

I think I may have to rediscover religion and the power of prayer! At least that will please my mother......

Perhaps you could advise your prospective employer that the ccj was gained after misleading advice and that you are fighting it.

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Thanks Vint, I have advised them of that, hopefully we're going to be able to come to an agreement whereby a condition of my employment is that I get the issue resolved within the standard probation period. The fact that you've suggested something similar gives me a wee bit more hope!

 

They hope to have an answer tomorrow, so another sleepless night for Angry!

 

Seriously though, again may I offer my sincere thanks to everybody who's replied, even just the thought that this may have happened before and I'm not going crazy is helping.

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Thanks Vint, I have advised them of that, hopefully we're going to be able to come to an agreement whereby a condition of my employment is that I get the issue resolved within the standard probation period. The fact that you've suggested something similar gives me a wee bit more hope!

 

They hope to have an answer tomorrow, so another sleepless night for Angry!

 

Seriously though, again may I offer my sincere thanks to everybody who's replied, even just the thought that this may have happened before and I'm not going crazy is helping.

Chin up and blow the froth of a couple of pints, preferably London Pride or Youngs Special.

 

I'm sure that they will see sense.

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Chin up and blow the froth of a couple of pints, preferably London Pride or Youngs Special.

 

That's a blast from the past, I used to get drunk on that as a student in London in the early 70's.

 

Whatever happened to Charringtons, Watneys and Courage, which I also seem to remember?

 

Sorry its off topic!

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That's a blast from the past, I used to get drunk on that as a student in London in the early 70's.

 

Whatever happened to Charringtons, Watneys and Courage, which I also seem to remember?

 

Sorry its off topic!

Ahhhhhhhhh!

 

A pint of Bass, Red Barrel or Directors. All gone now along with a Double Diamond works wonders.

 

If you ever get up north, Black Sheep is the one to try.

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But my understanding of CCJ, from reading on here, that if you pay within 30 days of initial issue then it doesnt go on the records?

 

It seems very strange that just because you have the agreement in place with Cohens, that this would still not be possible?

 

Especially as from the POC they will charge you s69 interest, as it was included in the claim, even though they shouldnt for CCA debts.

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It depends on the terms of the order MS. Sometimes the DJ will specify 14 days, sometimes 28 days.

 

Where an order is made as a result of the claimants applic. for default judgment (as in this case) CPR12.5 applies:

(1) Where the claim is for a specified sum of money, the claimant may specify in a request filed under rule 12.4(1) –

(a) the date by which the whole of the judgment debt is to be paid; or

 

(b) the times and rate at which it is to be paid by instalments.

 

 

(2) Except where paragraph (4) applies, a default judgment on a claim for a specified amount of money obtained on the filing of a request, will be judgment for the amount of the claim (less any payments made) and costs –

(a) to be paid by the date or at the rate specified in the request for judgment; or

 

(b) if none is specified, immediately.

 

 

So Angry is tied up by the terms of this judgment which specify the instalments that he unwittingly agreed with the Claimant.

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Hi all

 

Spoken to the court this morning and if I can pay off the balance by 4 June I'll be ok. I'm still going after the *$$&$$s though, and it sounds from initial chats like I'll qualify for legal aid to do so as well.

 

Good news is my poor, long suffering parents decided that lending me some cash would be infinitely preferable to having me back living with them, so I'll be paying this off tomorrow! I don't want to do it but it's the only way I'll get my job.

 

All the talk of beer above has made me thirsty, off for a pint to celebrate. Maybe even two if I feel like really pushing the boat out. Vint, if you're ever up north in Scotland look out for a little brewery called Harviestoun which never, ever fails to deliver. Sainsbury's down here sometimes stock their bottles which are almost as good, particularly Bitter & Twisted, an absolute belter of a summer session ale.

 

Cheers again everybody, help much appreciated, hopefully I can offer some advice to somebody in future, and I'll be making a wee donation once I start to get paid again.

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Good news on the CCJ & hopefully the job front then Angry :)

 

Let us know how you go on with any claim you make against Cohens. Complaints to SRA about their behaviour seem to get nowhere.

Any knowledge I possess or advice I proffer is based solely on my experiences in the University of Life. Please make your own assessment of legality, risks & costs before taking any action.

 

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