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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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agreed it is a con to try and get us to accept,

 

Once we sign up they will just follow their standard complaints procedure which is poor, and given all the bad reports from Computeach who in their right mind would sign up with them in the first place. In addition to this i have not received anything from Barclays in writing about this (has anyone?) so it is over eight weeks.

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I think you guys are right there. Once you've said yes to Computeach Barclays will wash their hands of you and if you have cause for complaint later they'll say it was your choice, tough.

I think refusing from day one and contesting their right to force this upon us must be legally justifiable (though waiting to hear that actually confirmed by a solicitor now). If my wall was being rebuild by Bloggs & Co, who went bust, but Barclays arranged for some bloke I'd never heard of to turn up and knock it up for me, would that be acceptable? Especially considering the money we all paid out!

They can shove it and I'll contest it in court if I have to.

 

I think they'll make idiots of themselves if the FO tells them to refund everyone. Be interesting to see what tactic they used with other companies they helped finance through BPF and then pulled out of, such as Red driving school. Wonder what action their students took?

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BPF will have to get us to sign to agree to the new course which i know i won't be signing, also they will have to set up a new direct debit as when our accounts are frozen they had to cancel the direct debit in order for the money not to come out. I won't be signing for that to happen either, the only thing i'm worried about is if they send the big boys to my door.... What then???

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Hi Everyone,

 

This is my first post, I have read over the post threads to try and get an idea of what i need to do to get this mess dealt with. Does anyone know what the first step is?

 

Some positive news though, a friend of mine who was on the course wrote to Hitachi capital (twice) and they have now offered him a £2600 refund. this was calculated by dividing the total cost of the course by the number of modules then subtracting the cost of the modules which had been completed for started. had anyone else had this offer?

 

As for me, I paid half the loan to Anglo Capital, then transfered the remainder of the loan to Hitachi Capital. What do I do first!!! Help!!

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I've just had a letter from BPF saying that the alternative training provider for those of us going through Access2Trade Careers is OLCI Construction Training.

 

I also have received a letter from that company asking me to call them to discuss etc, etc.

 

Has anyone else had this? I'm not going to act on it just yet, going to sit on it for the weekend and see what I can find out about the company first...

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Hi Everyone,

 

This is my first post, I have read over the post threads to try and get an idea of what i need to do to get this mess dealt with. Does anyone know what the first step is?

 

Some positive news though, a friend of mine who was on the course wrote to Hitachi capital (twice) and they have now offered him a £2600 refund. this was calculated by dividing the total cost of the course by the number of modules then subtracting the cost of the modules which had been completed for started. had anyone else had this offer?

 

As for me, I paid half the loan to Anglo Capital, then transfered the remainder of the loan to Hitachi Capital. What do I do first!!! Help!!

 

Hi TurboPants,

There is another thread that all the guys with Hitachi are on and you're in a better position than us at least they're refunding you'll likely need to haggle a bit. I think it would help you if you had a look there too.

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Daily Mirror investigators confirm it's Computeach...how did they know before we did?

 

Advent Computer Training and Access 2 Trade Careers shut up shop - Investigations

 

(See small paragraph at bottom of article)

 

And they must know what they're like too bet they've investigated them at some point. makes you wonder they could at least have put a subtle remark in there.

Lot of good points in your letters. plenty food for thought.

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Boosh No big boys will come round you can't get the jail for debt the worst that'll happen is a wrecked credit rating, a county court judgment or debt collection agency and there's a ton of help on here with that. OR we WIN and get it wiped /cancelled/refunded No more worries. smiles all round

When i said big boys, i meant debt collection.

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When i said big boys, i meant debt collection.

 

That looked worse than I meant it Boosh sorry as mustard said if it goes to court

we have a good counter claim. after all Advent have ceased to trade the contract is breached and the Trading Standards lady told me when BPF find a new provider then we have a legal right to refuse that if we find the new provider is not suitable which Computeach is not

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ok thanks, sounds like if we all stick together we might have strength in numbers, I guess we just have to wait untill we get the letter and go from there, after reading what people are saying on here, computeach don't sound like their up to the standard that bpf are hoping for, we just need to prove it

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False Sales

 

Falsely stating that a product will only be available for a very limited time, or that it will only be available on particular terms for a very limited time, in order to elicit an immediate decision and deprive consumers of sufficient opportunity or time to make an informed choice.

 

Have you seen any local shops which seem to display permanent signs claiming that they only have a few stock items left?

 

If it's untrue then its unfair

 

from the office of fair trading

 

check out this CT have already been taken to the oft by TS

http://www.oft.gov.uk/advice_and_resources/resource_base/consumer-regulations/traders/1140/1/

 

 

Advent rep said there was limited places and to hurry and sign to be sure of getting a place

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from the original email:

 

Our aim is to provide guidance and information to enable you to make a fully informed decision before pursing a future career in IT. Any offer of a place on an Advent Training Programme would only be made after your initial meeting as enrolment numbers are limited and based on a selection process.

 

 

lol they saw me coming

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computeach, don't make me laugh they were one of the first i disscounted when looking for a provider. they make the exam marks so high for a pass they just leave you hanging arround. found out that they want a 80% to 90% pass on the mocks before they allow you to take the real exam. just found out that with prometric the pass mark is 56%. whats their game, the longer you try to pass their mock the more frustrated you become and the more you pay untill you finally give up. money and time wasted. going to refuse computeach when the letter comes and let a4rons solicitor deal with it. can not see us losing the case. what bfp going to do if everyone refuses?

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Hi Mantaxi wondered where you'd got to your right it's a joke did you see the guy jim that posted he'd worked for Computeach and they were told to keep peeps back to make them pay more.

I have no intention of going with them and I'm in loads debt now but I can't pay for that it'd feel like I was agreeing to be mugged I think I'll be joining you all with A4ron's lawyer cos not heard from Hausfeld but I think if we have a mass group action it'll have more weight.

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So Computeach has already been investigated and found wanting by the Ombudsman (nice find Bluedo)!

Waiting for that letter now. What a bunch of jokers BPF are. Maybe they're anticipating a lot of people saying no but are trying their hand anyway, just to see how many don't really look into this and go for it.

The BF woman on the phone tried to tell me they are a 'major company with a good reputation' when I called. Hmmmm.......

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I want some solid information to refuse computeach as a provider and why they are unsuitable and go to the FO about this to have a strong argument against them. I already researched some local courses and for the field I want to enter in IT I only need a couple of solid qualifications which my local college offers. It costs me under 1k to take them both and I would rather do that then the MCSE which I signed due to being told this is a special offer with limited spaces and would definately gaurantee me a job which they will find me 6 to 8 months into the course.

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I got my generic letter today (with free spelling mistakes) informing me that I should speak to Computeach.

 

I will do no such thing - what a joke. I looked into CT before I chose Advent and they were uninteresting in what I was asking. Why on earth would I want to take a step backwards on this.

 

I've not had a response to my S75 letters yet apart from they are investigating it and I will be due an answer on 1st of April.

 

I get the feeling the that I'm going to be made a fool of on that date.

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This means that if the supplier makes representations of fact during negotiations (which the consumer relies on) and they cause her to enter into the agreement then the 1974 Act states that it will be as though the finance company has made the same promises. This means that a consumer has a potential claim to resind the contract (essentially cancelling it) for misrepresentation (subject to her proving there was a statement of fact, which she relied on and then entered into the agreement) or, if she has lost her right to rescind, claim damages for misrepresentation from the the finance company.

 

The Student Law Journal: Consumer Credit: Misrepresentation & Negotiations

 

Savarok The reply to my complaint was a demand for payment

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I havent had anything yet maybe Monday.

 

So then I will call BPF when I get it, and so do I tell them I do not wish to again be a computeach student.. I wonder what they will tell me then?

 

Can I ask who has got the furthest with their solicitors? and what are their thoughts to being offered training by a company we have not chosen?.

I have been out of work now for over half a year I dont have the money to pay a solicitor to fight this, I really thought I would be in a position to go for interviews by now and that would pay for my loan.

 

I will not willingly enrol with a company I do not wish to have dealings with and one that I know will only delay my training for a job . :(

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from the original email:

 

Our aim is to provide guidance and information to enable you to make a fully informed decision before pursing a future career in IT. Any offer of a place on an Advent Training Programme would only be made after your initial meeting as enrolment numbers are limited and based on a selection process.

 

 

lol they saw me coming

 

2 good points Mustard "enrolment is limited "and 2ndly" Based on selection process."

I think there's something about the OFT rules that students should be vetted for their capabilities and not just sold the most expensive qualifications hoping to tie us into an agreement we may not be able to complete.

Personally no-one came to see me it was all arranged on the phone and emails and post.

 

10 pack if we can get a no win no fee with a solicitor then if we win you would be refunded so be able to pay if we lose no fee

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