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    • Make sure the WS is sent 14 days before the hearing. You can e-mail the court theirs.  In the subject line put the case number, the names of the parties and "Witness Statement".  Obviously click on "Return Receipt". Send Simple Simon his by 2nd class post - all VCS are worth - and get a free Certificate of Posting from the post office.
    • The outlet is in Camden Town and was set up in 2006, a year after my husband established the business, in addition to selling at exhibitions, online, shows, events, and having licensing agreements in some places overseas.  The only thing I have stopped doing since I got ill is the physical stuff, which I’m working on. The business has not changed name or anything like that either. I’m not sure where the original contract with Camden is but the management must still have it. My husband died in Jan 2017, and until Sept 2018, I would take the stock in every week; after that I was sending it in by post. I went in now and then when possible to re-do the display but that was about it. No one had access to any files until 2020. Moved house in 2020 thought would have to pull it all, Covid had just hit as well. The person in question said he would be interested in taking over and paying the rent etc. so I said I would let him sell the pictures for nothing as long as he would ‘keep it warm’ for me.  Obviously, everywhere was closed for lockdown. During this time I was working out how to go forward.  In May 2022 I told him I couldn’t  give anything away for free anymore, and put in place the wholesale agreement.  I’ve disregarded any discrepancies from before this date. I sent over the jpgs electronically, so I’ve still got them too. He hasn’t got any original files like .psds negatives or memory cards etc, I’ve got proof of all ownership/copyright. A co-op is whereby a small number of neighbours work on a rotational basis so they each of them can have time off, that way everyone doesn’t need to be there at the same time, he had never been an employee of mine.  The only reason I allowed him to have the files in the first place as I didn’t want to lose that side of the business.  It’s a good, constant source of income. However, the rent was becoming crippling as I believed there was something fishy going on well before this as there’s so much cash dealt with there, and I couldn’t go in regularly in person, and I’m sure sales weren’t being recorded properly and cash was being pocketed. My husband was too busy to be doing any stock control properly, he wasn't really into paperwork, and the guy who was ‘helping’ me after my husband's death, was making things very difficult for me to implement a solid stock control system by refusing to co-operate on simple things like using email etc. which I thought was a smokescreen, so I severed ties with him just before I made the agreement in question. I sent about 100 images, jpg files, sent via We Transfer. I’ve got the confirmation of which files were sent with dates. I will have to go through closed bank accounts and previous tax returns to get a proper estimate.   Before I made this agreement, I was selling retail there, this is a wholesale agreement so I’ll have to do some calculations but it is definitely in the thousands.  I haven’t got his his home address, and I don't think he's got any sizeable assets. I’m also worried that he might send the files overseas and start selling them there. I know he’s not stupid enough to sell them online. He knows for sure how serious this is, but he’s been chancing it and thinks I’m stupid, if not soft and stupid. I don’t know if this would work but I am thinking that when he does contact me, I tell him we need to talk, tell him I know what he’s been up to, and strongly urge him not to order any more prints from wherever he is having them printed because it will make things much worse for him if he does. Then when I do tell him about the gravity of the situation, maybe a few days later, I think it will scare him into complying because the consequences definitely trump the few quid he thinks he is saving by getting his own printing done. Tell him an amount that I want back for lost revenue, and make it clear that if he doesn’t destroy the files and if I find out he is still doing it at any point down the line, I will seek prosecution for copyright infringement and fraud, which I will. I don’t know how I can enforce any of this without involving the courts though. I will be able to tell, though, and he will know this. And the only reason I am doing this now rather than before, is that I couldn’t prove anything until now.  It was screamingly obvious from the beginning though, as he wasn’t ordering enough from me to pay the rent, let alone make a profit. If I decided to come down like him lie a ton of bricks straight away, how would I go about a cease and desist, would I have to get one from the court? And what do I do about the stock he currently holds? It has also occurred to me that he might file for bankruptcy or similar if things get heavy, where would that leave me? I could put the feelers out for a brand-new person to take it on, obviously without giving them access to files, that is an option. But that comes with its own set of issues. Also, would there be any implications for me, if I kept quiet for now? Let him order again from me as if nothing has happened, as it will be any day and I want to get all my ducks in a row first ideally….   Thanks again
    • I’ve also just realised their online website they’ve got 12 photographs of my vehicle, including close ups of the inside?? Not sure why that’s relevant.  The time stamp on the first photo is 13:57, the PCN incident time is 14:12. 
    • I’m tempted to send a letter to the company outlining the reasons why I think their PCN is illegitimate. I guess will technically be an appeal.  Their documentation states they won’t discuss over phone, I also don’t want them to have my email address.    re signage on entrance, having looked at land registry, the whole road is private, and when you turn into the road off the highway, there is a sign on the lamppost about 20m in, again not noticeable and on the other side of the road.  I feel like I am in a difficult position with this, I understand that I may have a good chance of not having to pay, but at the same token the stress this is already causing me makes me feel like it’s not worth the £60!
    • Well done with the photo. Of course the signage is insufficient.  PPM are not interested in competent management of a car park, they are interested in catching drivers out so they can issue their PCNs. For a start, according to their trade associations' Codes of Practice, they are supposed to have signage at the entrance. Any e-mail reply from the company and whether they will/won't/can/can't get the invoice cancelled?    
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      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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Much has been made in a lot of threads about Form 4 complaints and allowing the Bailiff/Company to put any wrongs right. It has also been noted that whilst doing this you leave yourself open to costs against you by the defending parties. Whilst I see some of these complaints are from just aggrieved "customers" who want to cause an inconvenience there are plainly others that have legitimate concerns.

 

Why can't we circumnavigate the Form 4 and just issue a claim against them instead. As another recent poster has said he queried the "unlawful" charges, they hung up on the phone and gave the correct fees. In instances like these I believe we should also be making a claim against the "enemy" for blatant overcharging.

 

Maybe once a few of these have gone through, the "enemy" may get the message and start to play fair. But there again so many of them are too thick to understand.

 

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I have long stated that the people are like cattle and if they remain reluctant to take any kind of a stance against these low life pieces of vermin , then they deserve what they get. What is it about some people who let themselves get trampled all over , and show no bottle whatsoever in fighting back ?. Are these the same sad people who were bullied unmercifully in the school playground , and went home blubbering to mummy ?. I really do have no sympathy for these sad individuals who just lay back and say " give me more ".

Light travels faster than sound...............that's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

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Much has been made in a lot of threads about Form 4 complaints and allowing the Bailiff/Company to put any wrongs right. It has also been noted that whilst doing this you leave yourself open to costs against you by the defending parties. Whilst I see some of these complaints are from just aggrieved "customers" who want to cause an inconvenience there are plainly others that have legitimate concerns.

 

Why can't we circumnavigate the Form 4 and just issue a claim against them instead. As another recent poster has said he queried the "unlawful" charges, they hung up on the phone and gave the correct fees. In instances like these I believe we should also be making a claim against the "enemy" for blatant overcharging.

 

Maybe once a few of these have gone through, the "enemy" may get the message and start to play fair. But there again so many of them are too thick to understand.

 

PT

 

If collected together, all the notices that can be identified to contain unlawful charges can be collated. It will certainly identify the most frequent offenders and give plenty of ammo to take to the approptiate authorities.

 

Yes it will be a huge task but if half a dozen people offered to undertake the task for various area's then it would be possible.

 

So to answer the post..... Yes it is time we started to fight back..

and here is the 1st volunteer to get that fight started.

 

WD

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I think are local councils are also partly to blame in matters of council tax and parking fines, they need to be re-educated in how to deal with people who get into a position when a bailiff is called for. They need to provide more information to the public when dealing with bailiffs. Because at the end of the day its Joe public who pays their wages and keeps them in their jobs.

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I agree with council tax but not parking - people are responsible for their own actions, if you park wrongly pay the price (before the need for bailiffs arises).

Not entirely true, councils are known to make mistakes with regards to PCN's but never think they do and are far to quick to send out a bailiff before investigating. I understood that in this country we are innocent until proved guilty, the councils look at it the opposite way

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There is plenty of opportunity to appeal a parking ticket - we are not going to agree on this one :)

not when they send it to the wrong address and you have no knowledge that a PCN has been issued,

Councils can also set up a payment plan for people who cant afford to pay it off in one lump sum, but most choose not too. They would rather send in the bailiffs who then charge outrageous fees and place the debtor into more debt.

 

No relation to High Court Enforcer are you, because your sounding a little like him here

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not when they send it to the wrong address and you have no knowledge that a PCN has been issued,

Councils can also set up a payment plan for people who cant afford to pay it off in one lump sum, but most choose not too. They would rather send in the bailiffs who then charge outrageous fees and place the debtor into more debt.

 

No relation to High Court Enforcer are you, because your sounding a little like him here

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I am inclined to agree on this, as you have never posted on the forum you obviously have not had a "bad " experience with bailiffs etc, for which you need advice from caggers therefore may I ask what draws your interest to this forum?

 

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If collected together, all the notices that can be identified to contain unlawful charges can be collated. It will certainly identify the most frequent offenders and give plenty of ammo to take to the approptiate authorities.

 

Yes it will be a huge task but if half a dozen people offered to undertake the task for various area's then it would be possible.

 

So to answer the post..... Yes it is time we started to fight back..

and here is the 1st volunteer to get that fight started.

 

WD

 

You can count us as your 2nd volunteers :) Something needs doing and as individuals we probably won't get very far but as a collective we have a very very good chance of the Authorities listening and taking action.

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You can count us as your 2nd volunteers :) Something needs doing and as individuals we probably won't get very far but as a collective we have a very very good chance of the Authorities listening and taking action.

 

 

Thanks scorpion

I agree we will be able to fire a few rounds in the right direction if we all get together.

 

It can be done but we will need a few more volunteers so I hope those who have suffered, posted their anguish, had good advice and found resolve will step forward.

 

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Thanks scorpion

I agree we will be able to fire a few rounds in the right direction if we all get together.

 

It can be done but we will need a few more volunteers so I hope those who have suffered, posted their anguish, had good advice and found resolve will step forward.

 

wd

count me in :D

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I have long stated that the people are like cattle and if they remain reluctant to take any kind of a stance against these low life pieces of vermin , then they deserve what they get. What is it about some people who let themselves get trampled all over , and show no bottle whatsoever in fighting back ?. Are these the same sad people who were bullied unmercifully in the school playground , and went home blubbering to mummy ?. I really do have no sympathy for these sad individuals who just lay back and say " give me more ".

 

OMG, i find this so offensive, there's a difference to being ignorant and not knowing your rights.... you obviously have no compassion.

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I agree with council tax but not parking - people are responsible for their own actions, if you park wrongly pay the price (before the need for bailiffs arises).

 

 

 

What C*ap!!! Don't you drive??!!!

 

"If you park wrongly you pay the price"

 

Right. O.k Best advice ever. Thanks so much.

 

I'll tell all my drivers in C. London that they must have parked wrongly to get a ticket.

 

Bull*hite my love.

 

About 85% of tickets issued to my firm are fraudulently issued - (this is because the officers are on 'perks' linked to the amount of tickets they issue) each one with proof all day long, and after more hassle in letter writing we get them cancelled, so they can't have parked wrongly then can they?

 

What planet are you on??

 

p.s "I agree with council tax?" you need medical help

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OMG, i find this so offensive, there's a difference to being ignorant and not knowing your rights.... you obviously have no compassion.

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Ref china.blue: Thankyou HH, you beat me to it - teach me to be a night owl!

 

Regarding the OP, not sure what I can do but always willing to help...

 

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Much has been made in a lot of threads about Form 4 complaints and allowing the Bailiff/Company to put any wrongs right. It has also been noted that whilst doing this you leave yourself open to costs against you by the defending parties. Whilst I see some of these complaints are from just aggrieved "customers" who want to cause an inconvenience there are plainly others that have legitimate concerns.

 

Why can't we circumnavigate the Form 4 and just issue a claim against them instead. As another recent poster has said he queried the "unlawful" charges, they hung up on the phone and gave the correct fees. In instances like these I believe we should also be making a claim against the "enemy" for blatant overcharging.

 

Maybe once a few of these have gone through, the "enemy" may get the message and start to play fair. But there again so many of them are too thick to understand.

 

PT

 

Until such time as the matter of costs is decided one way or another, I would NOT recommended this route, in particular if the complaint is regarding overcharging by a bailiff.

 

A far simpler route is for an N1 Claim Form to be issued in the Small Claims Track. This is a simple claim and the form can be downloaded and completed on line.

 

It is vitally important to ensure that BEFORE going this route that you obtain a screen shot of your account. In that way you will be able to identify where any overcharging has taken place.

 

With overcharging for PCN recovery, it is a simple matter to refer to the Judgment in the case of Anthony Culligan v Marston Group.

 

PS: I forgot to mention. With a Form 4 you could be looking at months before the complaint is heard. With a Form 4 the bailiff company have only 30 days to either pay the claim or dispute it.

In addition, with a small claim case, you will not have court costs in the event that you lose.

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Until such time as the matter of costs is decided one way or another, I would NOT recommended this route, in particular if the complaint is regarding overcharging by a bailiff.

 

A far simpler route is for an N1 Claim Form to be issued in the Small Claims Track. This is a simple claim and the form can be downloaded and completed on line.

 

It is vitally important to ensure that BEFORE going this route that you obtain a screen shot of your account. In that way you will be able to identify where any overcharging has taken place.

 

With overcharging for PCN recovery, it is a simple matter to refer to the Judgment in the case of Anthony Culligan v Marston Group.

 

PS: I forgot to mention. With a Form 4 you could be looking at months before the complaint is heard. With a Form 4 the bailiff company have only 30 days to either pay the claim or dispute it.

In addition, with a small claim case, you will not have court costs in the event that you lose.

 

Thanks for the input as it was really the N1 route I meant, as it appears the only thing that a lot of companies only understand £££s and if everyone started hitting them in the pocket - along with CCJ's & costs they may decide to play fair. Once enough have been done then some may find it hard to function if they have a few Judgments against them.

 

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